At youtube.com you’ll see an interesting set of videos dealing with the last Phenomenon episode, the second in the series. Here, all three actors – Geller, Angel, and Callahan – get to expound on what they think took place. Video also Here →
First was Geller (misspelled “Gellar” in the heading) who of course declared himself “mind-blown” by the episode, poor chap. He took pains to re-emphasize his contrived acceptance of woo-woo, and generally said nothing that added to the situation. He threw in the popular Relativity rant, dragging in Einstein and demonstrating his profound ignorance of what that man had to say about the real world. But consider: Geller’s in a rather peculiar situation, having now been directly confronted by Angel on this show, and unable to respond…
I’m sure that NBC is also taking pains to see that the Randi element doesn’t get to enter in here, since it might bring a more rational atmosphere to the show, and lose viewers…
Criss Angel said, in his rather lengthy comments,“[Callahan] demonstrated something that is unexplainable to some” – though to whom that might have applied, I cannot fathom – and Criss is beginning to sound very much like that chap James Randi, tossing about a million-dollar challenge…
Callahan was frantic. He said, concerning the drubbing he got by Criss Angel, “I’m tired of it.” Well, no, Callahan, you’re scared of it because you’ve never had anyone come up against you directly, as Criss did. Mind you, along with several others who’ve commented on the Angel presentation of the sealed envelope challenge, that’s not something that Callahan has ever actually claimed to be able to do; he should be asked to state – if he can – just what he can do – and then be required to do it.
Callahan retreated to the same ploy as Geller, defending religion and declaring his fervent belief in religious mythology, thus looking for support from that element, then made a rather vicious threat against Angel: “I will definitely do everything I can to ruin him.”
All together, this added up to a major victory for rationality – launched and fought by Criss Angel – that must have NBC in both a tizzy and an orgasm, since they’ve achieved yet another pinnacle of mediocrity. Their first “Phenomenon” show ended up in 45th place…
I’ll have more on this event, as soon as I’ve had a chance to review it in detail…
NOT MUCH LEFT
We figure that the only trick Uri Geller has left to do on “Phenomenon” is the “lifting-a-guy-using-four-fingers” trick… I expect we’ll be seeing that one very soon. First, see www.randi.org/encyclopedia/flying.html . Remember, this is a “mystifyer,” not a magician or a trickster…
Guy Bavli was already in the second episode. Pretty irnoic how you keep saying good things about him, but in fact exposed his trick last week and hinted that he might be just a fraud.
http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/111/2/
“Let’s see what this performer on Wednesday who “dies” and comes back to life, will be offering us. I’ll bet we don’t get to see what he has tucked under his arm…“
Why won’t you actually do your homework, or actually wait awhile to watch the entire show before attacking regular magicians as Bavli? It seem like you think so much about debunking that you don’t even care about all the innocent people that get hurt by it.
Please be profesional for once.
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... written by Amelia F.,
November 04, 2007
Callahan was hilarious. Was it just me, or was he channeling Gob Bluth? I kept expecting a dead pigeon to drop out of his sleeve.
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... written by Bryan Miles,
November 04, 2007
I believe this was all scripted to push the ratings up.
??? anyone agree ???
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... written by Chris S,
November 04, 2007
Amelia, you're so right. Gob Bluth it is.
Bryan, I don't agree it was scripted, but I do think the people know they're on a tv program, and therefore were still not acting like they would if the cameras were off. I don't think there was any collusion between them though. Although, each knew that it might possibly go down the way it did based on what they know of each other.
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... written by Luca,
November 04, 2007
Criss Angel did the right thing confronting Callahan, but I still wonder why he didn't do the same with Guy Bavli.
Callahan presented himself in a controversial (and absolutley boring) way, but at the end of his show he used words like "enternainment", suggesting he was doing an artistic performance more than a demonstration of psychic powers. On the other way his way of carrying his character outstage (like he did in the fight with criss) may be very dangerous.
But from a skeptic point of view, Bavli was much worse. He claimed that he stopped his hearth "using the power of his mind", providing a pseudo-scientific explanation too. After the performance he reinforced his claim saying that he "heard dogs" while he was between death and life. Nobody said it could have been a trick.
So it's ok to debunk Callahan, but the question is: why not Guy Bavli?
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... written by Kevin W.,
November 04, 2007
LOL @ Callahan. Where to begin with this guy? He's right - Criss Angel IS a middle aged man dressing up as a goth boy. Well there goes every rational argument Criss Angel purports to make because he is a middle aged man dressing up as a goth boy. Gee, it's too bad Criss doesn't dress up in a tuxedo vest. THEN maybe his arguments would have some merit. Sorry Criss, you lose.
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... written by Michael,
November 05, 2007
Oh thank god someone made the "Gob" Bluth comparison! I thought I was alone. The only difference is that even Gob never looked quite as ridiculous as Callahan (though the performance would've been much better with "The Final Countdown" playing in the background.)
Just FYI, I started a message board at the NBC Phenomenon page, inviting people to share different theories on how some of the illusions were done--naturally I went after Callahan first. I also posted one on Guy Bavli and finally a very tenuous explanation of Mike Super's "Murder Mystery." One hell of an trick if you ask me. Anyway, something must've struck a nerve because NBC has threatened to take down any post that goes into detail about the possible methods behind the illusions. What a joke that NBC is still trying to push this "maybe it is paranormal" angle. Anyway, if NBC decides to take down the message board, does anybody have advice on where I could start up a new one? Best, Michael
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... written by Bryan Miles,
November 05, 2007
controversy = people watch the show
loosely scripted to ensure ratings go up, for an already wishy-washy show.
anyone agree?
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... written by David,
November 05, 2007
I hope one of these days Raymond makes him scribble "I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO IN THE AFTERLIFE THEN TELL YOU WHAT IS IN THE STUPID BOX YOU BORING SOUTHERN DANDY"
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... written by Experimentalist,
November 05, 2007
Psudo Scientific explanations are a part of mentalism. It's what makes it entertaining.
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... written by Pieter B,
November 05, 2007
Amazing that Callahan has the nerve to play the Jesus card, absolutely amazing. Why is it that so many people wrapping themselves in the mantle of christianity seem unfamiliar with the basic text?
Deuteronomy 18 : 10. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11. or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12. "For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you.
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... written by Experimentalist,
November 05, 2007
Was Callahan claiming to BE a Christian? Or was he just using that as an example?
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... written by Erin Butler,
November 05, 2007
Luca -
So it's ok to debunk Callahan, but the question is: why not Guy Bavli?
It's tough to argue that someone didn't hear dogs in his mind. After "Did too!" "Did not!" where does it go?
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... written by Luca,
November 06, 2007
Erin,
the dogs were the comical side, the claim someone should be arguing about is the whole "I can stop my heart only with the power of the mind" thing
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... written by Mike Clary,
November 06, 2007
I don't understand why people are complaining about Guy Bavli. He is a magician/Mentalist and as far as I know has never clamed to have supernatural powers.This was a trick. Part of the trick is to say he has specicial mental powers. As far as NBC keeping people from posting how demonstrations were done, I believe this is the correct thing to do. I am a magician and would be extremely upset if the network I was working with allowed for secrets of my act to be revealed. The magic community is very secretive about there secrets as they should be. However that being said the magic community is strongly against the missuse of trickery. i.e. Callahan,Geller ETC.
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... written by Erin Butler,
November 06, 2007
Luca -
I'm not entirely convinced. So long as he's not encouraging others to copy him, and he's not using it as "proof" that he's channeling a 12,000 year old warrior-priest from Atlantis, I don't see much harm in the claim.
I haven't seen his complete act, so I'm making assumptions here - if his is using his abilities as a con ("Your dead uncle Phil says to give me sixty bucks"), nail him.
Mike -
I agree with NBC keeping "how-to" off their web site - it is, after all, their site. And anyone who knows that they are entertainers and not pretending gifts from supernatural powers is fine in my book.
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... written by Luca,
November 06, 2007
Erin, I really understand your point, and in other circumstances that would be my position too. I also understand that Callahan has a long story of paranormal claim that goes beyond the show itself, so I absolutely endorse what Criss Angel did.
But the thing is: Criss Angel confronted Callahan, and that's ok. In the final part of the show Criss pointed out that a contestant, the belgian Jan Bardi, obviously couldn't find oil with his pendulum, which is also a good thing. I just wonder why he didn't say a word about the hearth-stopping thing. I think you can find the performance of Bavli on Youtube, you need to see it to understand why, in my opinion, the border between performance and real claim may have been crossed (not only by Bavli, I must say, but also by the entire show). We know that Guy Bavli is an artist and an entertainer, but most of the people at home watching the show simply can't tell the difference between him and Callahan (except for the fact that Callahan is a veeeery bad performer and a very bad magician, as far as I've seen).
That being said, I know more people who believe that it's possible to stop the hearth just with concentration and training, than people who think someone can talk to the dead. (Just to avoid misunderstanding: I agree that the latter is more harmful).
I'm not saying that someone should tell how Bavli did, I'm an amateur magician and I don't like tricks being revealed too. But at least someone (in the show) must have said that it was a trick, as it was done for Ehud Segev, Jim Callahan and Jan Bardi.
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... written by Lubav,
November 07, 2007
It seems some people commenting here have never seen a mentalist perform before. Most mentalists and magicians make ludicrous claims during the performance because it adds to the showmanship. Banachek for example when he did his PK touch routine would often explain to his audience that the touch was made by the spirit of his dead uncle. And in this is especially true in the Phenomenon, where it's the the greatest showman not the greatest mentalist who will probably win. Guy Bavli doesn't claim real powers. I even have a DVD of his where he demonstrates his way of bending metal.
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... written by Michael,
November 07, 2007
Just wanted to add that my thread on NBC's Phenomenon page wasn't a "how to" it was a "how could." I'm not a magician and I don't have access to all the secrets out there. It was simply a discussion about possible methods behind the illusion.s Many of us enjoy mentalism for the puzzle, and I warned that anyone who might find such conversation about rational methods disheartening shouldn't read beyond the initial caveat. Personally, I think it's ridiculous for magicians to expect their audiences to "leave it alone." The relationship between magicians and their audiences is interactive; a good trick stumps the audience and the audience tries to figure out just how the magician was able to pull it off. If it weren't for this interactivity, we'd still be seeing "saw the lady in half" tricks. If a magician revealed the secret behind an illusion to me in confidence, then I agree it would be completely unethical for me to go around telling people about it. But, if people want to talk to each other to share their thoughts on how an illusion COULD be accomplished, then I don't think the same restrictions hold up. Best, Michael
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... written by Luca,
November 07, 2007
Lubav, You and I both know that Guy Bavli is a performer and did some magic DVD (but also Callahan call himself, among other things, "a magician"), but the average television audience doesn't know that and, as I said, can't see the difference between him and Callahan. But, leaving Callahan aside for a moment, the "trickery point" was made by Criss, in a friendly way, to Ehud Segev and Jan Bardi too.
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... written by T. Willis,
November 07, 2007
Another possible place to discuss the program is at the Television Without Pity Website. They have a thread there about for this show: http://forums.televisionwithou...try9159533
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... written by gwizazz,
November 07, 2007
It is all basically about how well you understand the subtleties of generalized semantics. I can tell from how Uri talks that he understands actual "reality." You see, if you understand that a person's "soul" is basically how their particular brain works then that person's soul can be "passed on" to, or live on in, other people in the form of books, verbally-transmitted stories, and other forms of media. The brain is like a computer that can be mass-produced to the extent that the workings of the computer can be accurately explained or figured out.
In ancient times there were no "factual" words to describe the human brain's capabilities and dynamics because they did not understand how the brain worked or that there even was a brain. They tended to ascribe the brain's capabilities to the heart and/or stomach area and/or "unseen forces." So, they spoke in "metaphor" or words and phrases that gave a "feeling" of what was intended to be communicated. Unfortunately today we think that people were "primitively-minded" rather than see the genius that was necessary to understand and communicate things that seemingly could not be understood and represent that understanding with words and pictures.
My heart goes out to both James Randi and Criss Angel who may not understand the concept of "General Semantics" and the deeper meanings of things that Uri expressed so eloquently and succinctly (at least for me).
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... written by gwizazz,
November 07, 2007
James Randi wrote:
> Your understanding of "General Semantics" is > next to zero - though the concept itself is > rather fuzzy already. As a teen, I read > "Science & Sanity" by Korzybski, and concluded > that it had not told me anything that I > didn't already know. > > Please don't let your heart "go out" to me. > I understand GS very well, and I certainly don't > need your pity... > > James Randi
First, thank you for being open to a dialogue.
Well, no offense intended, it appears that you may be suffering from depression. Why attack when you may be better served by "informing" your alleged enemy or dissenter and then elucidating any areas of misunderstanding or misinformation? You appear to have totally missed my point regarding the use of "metaphor" and the attempt to "disprove" something that has no factual basis in reality in the first place. A magician's show is like a metaphor. Mr. Randi, you attempt to disprove the illusion (metaphor) seemingly unaware that the intention is to inspire "awe" and NOT so much as "fool" the viewer.
Not everyone is as smart as you are. Some people need "time" to come up to speed on what is real and what is not real. If they are not confronted with what is "not" real then how will they EVER know what "IS" real? Why attack a person who is simply attempting to demonstrate people's areas of frailty and naivete?
The winner of the "Phenomenon" TV show will be the person who inspires the most "awe" so why attempt to "kill" the reputation of the best person who demonstrates this? Is that not counter-productive to the very purpose of the show?
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... written by Chris C.,
November 07, 2007
This is ridiculous.
All Geller ever had to do all these years to shut Randi up is to say publicly, "I'm not claiming literal telekinetic powers. Everything I say that sounds as if I am is a metaphor."
-He wouldn't be the subject of a debunking book -He wouldn't have been humiliated on the Tonight Show -Randi wouldn't have revealed Geller's methods. Randi doesn't do that to honest conjurers. -His being caught revealing his gimmicks would have been merely a sign of incompetence -- gross incompetence, considering his limited repertoire -- and not flim-flam besides.
Surely you do not intend to appear as asinine as you do by telling a professional conjurer with as many decades' experience as Randi what makes for an effective illusion. It's quite easy to find such behavior irritating without suffering from clinical depression.
If these practitioners would simply admit their acts are stage magic, there would be nothing to debunk. That Geller does not have the humanitarian motives you ascribe to him is revealed by the fact he has never come clean. What are you showing people if you do everything you can to keep them fooled?
In Jim Callahan's "defense" (so to speak) I looked at his website and I couldn't tell for sure whether he was putting forward a real claim of paranormal powers or not. He carefully talks around it, labeling his "paranormal phenomena" another kind of act. "I have found ways to reproduce these phenomena and experiences as entertainment....I create what could be called paranormal events in an entertainment venue." (emphasis mine) He might as well say something like "My psychic powers are every bit as real as Geller's." Is he claiming real psychic powers? Is he not? Is his "Deja Vu Experiment" setup talking about his dream life just part of the act, like David Copperfield saying he can fly or walk through the Great Wall of China? I really can't tell. He's a master obfuscator, whatever else he might be.
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... written by Jeremy Henderson,
November 08, 2007
So what metaphor was Geller using when he used to claim that he was given psychic powers by aliens?
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... written by bigmomma,
November 08, 2007
You've all been duped. That drama scene was set up. It was a part of the act.
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... written by Walk,
November 08, 2007
gwizazz, What in the world are you talking about? Geller says he has psychic powers. That's bulls***t! Callahan says he talks to the dead. Also BS. All they have to do to win a million bucks is shut up and prove it! You talk about the soul as just another way of talking about the brain. Paranormalists say the soul is some kind of energy that survives death intact, retaining the personality. Is this what you believe?
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... written by alberto,
November 09, 2007
I still dont understand what is this show about. Do we have to beleive that the one that wins really does HAVE psychic abilities or powers? What going on with Chris Angel? I thought he was going to debunk all these ''PSYCHICS'' by doing the same as he did to Callahan. If he doesnt do it, I hope that at the end of the show, he debunks the master idiot psychic bulls**ter URI GELLER as a ecxcelent season finale.
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... written by alberto,
November 09, 2007
Mr. James Randi, if you raead this, I want to tell you that im a huge fan of you. Seeing you made a lot of an understandig person. Its very sad that many many people doesnt even know you. From where I am, everybody beleives in stupid things. There is a daily show about these stuff and its just sad seeing the poor people of my country wasting the little money they have in this kind of beliefs . Plase Mr James, I want to see you more often challenging people on tv or make a show about the truth that is out there, DEBUNK all these evil people, thay are a shame of my religion and my mother land. Im talking about URI GELLER and these 2 new idiots EHUD SEGEV and GUY BAVLI. IF THEY DONT ACCEPT YOUR CHALLENGE, YOU SHOULD CONFRONT THEM, DONT LET THESE PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THEIR TRICKS!!!
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... written by DJM,
November 09, 2007
Alberto, why do you call people idiots if you are the real idiot here?
Ehud never claimed having powers, in fact he denies it all the time. He's a mentalist, he creats illusions. And so does Guy.
Why won't you do a little bit of research before attacking people? Unless of course skeptics are supposed to debunk every person they don't like no matter what.
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... written by Brad Reddekopp,
November 09, 2007
Regarding Geller's comment about energy and death, the man is even sillier than I thought he was. He might as well ask where a light bulb's energy goes when you switch it off.
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... written by alberto,
November 09, 2007
Dear DJM: The show is called PHENOMENON!!! Do you know what phenomenon is??? Did you head about these peoples backgroung before they performed? Each one of them had a diferent stupid story. One dream about his brother dying in ten yaers and now that he past away, he says he is the one that helps him all the time. The other one has this intuition form I dont know where, ando so and so. Chria Angel didnt have a background like this, he just started at young to do magic and ilusion. All the clowns claim to have POWERS and the winner is suposed to be the PHENOMENON that have these ''POWERS''. So now oyu believe in Bavli's dying and coming back to life? come on!!! James Randi should be in this show as the main judge.
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... written by tom becker,
November 09, 2007
this guy (callahan) is a nut maybe if he did a better acting job maybe there wouldn't be a problem. knowing before there was a camera in the room with raven before commercial seems to be an explanation.
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... written by Walk,
November 10, 2007
Tom,
Agreed. It’s almost too bad that Callahan was booted off at the beginning of the 3rd episode. It would have been fun to see if he would ever have stepped up to the plate and accepted Criss’s generous offer to prove the powers he was making as a factual claim, instead of just shouting insults to cover up the fact that he’s a fraud.
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... written by Derek Lee,
November 11, 2007
In response to Chris C.:
Mr. Callahan's disavowal of paranormal abilities area as clear as Mr. Angels. Mr. Angel claims to mix real stuff with trickery. In fact, during a recent interview with larry King :ANGEL: Hellstromism is the art of muscle reading. And that's something that Kreskin has performed for many years and something that -- it's kind of a lost art. And what I do is I look for telltale signs, as a student of human behavior and psychology...
KING: And those -- all those people were giving you some sign or other?
ANGEL: Yes. Basically I was giving them a series of tests. I was asking them to look in my eyes. I was asking them to close their eyes, to open them up, to raise their item up and down. And I just kind of look at and determine and assess who I think is the person that was picked.
KING: But it's -- think, isn't it high risk?
ANGEL: It's incredibly high risk. You know, a lot of what I do is completely real. Some of it's an illusion. I try to blur that line. And I think that's what really resonated with the American public. KING: So you are telling me, though, that was not a trick.
ANGEL: That's not a trick.
"A LOT of what I do is COMPLTETELY REAL. SOME of it is an illusion." Why does Criss make these claims? NONE of what he does is real. He even lied about the "muscle reading" effect, stating that he "just kind of looks at the people and determines and asseses who was picked". As a magician for over twenty years I can assure you there is no such ablity without trickery. There have been historic claims of "non-contact" mindreading but so far NO ONE has ever been able to demonstarte it. If Criss can determine this information by "just kind of looking at people" then he deserves the JREF Million!! C'mon step up to the plate Criss!
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... written by Walk,
November 11, 2007
Derek Lee,
Boy, that sure sounds like he’s making paranomal claims to me also. Step up to the plate, Criss!
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... written by Chris C.,
November 11, 2007
Derek:
All Criss was talking about is reading body language by observation and feeling for involuntary muscle movement. "It's incredibly high risk." he said -- meaning it doesn't work much of the time. And he's right. In the "Hellstromism" episode, he even broadcast an attempt where he guessed wrong. But it works more often than chance alone does, and in a cold read I'd think that would be a great advantage. I think he's being a bit disingenuous when he says it's a "lost art"; it just doesn't usually go by that name.
If you think it's impossible... Well, you might be a professional stage magician, but I'd be surprised if you were a parent. Many parents can almost always tell when their kids are lying to them by their body language.
You must be a lousy poker player too. Ask a good one about "tells" sometime. Poker players who are good at this consistently win more money than those who are not. They don't need to claim Randi's money. They claim it from the players on the other side of the card table all the time. http://pokerworks.com/article-452.html
And he also does his own stunts, which is obviously part of what he was talking about.
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... written by Derek Lee,
November 11, 2007
What about Criss' comments about proving "that the laws of this physical world can be bent or broken"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNNwKTJx44Y I think your defense of Angel's claims indicates the bias of which I speak.
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... written by Chris C.,
November 11, 2007
No, I'm not biased. I'm not the one taking something a performer says during his act as something he really means. How many conjurers claimed an education in the "Mysteries of the Orient", especially when that kind of thing was fashionable a hundred years ago? Not one of them meant it, of course. It was part of the act. So is this. The point is that Criss doesn't still make that claim once the act is finished and he's talking as himself.
Any performer knows perfectly well that there's a huge difference between what you say and how you act when you're "on" and when you're not.
Since you didn't speak of a bias, I have no idea what you're talking about.
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... written by Derek Lee,
November 12, 2007
Sorry. I mentioned bias in the cooments of another section. I don't know if Criss still makes those claims off stage or not. I don't know if Jim does or not. All I know is that Jim was doing his act. There was no need for Angel to call him out during his act based on your argument above. All I know is that the millions of people who see C.A. make those claims when he is "on" do not see him after the show ends or when the cameras stop rolling after an interview or guest appearance. And this is Criss' intention in his own words.
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... written by Chris C.,
November 12, 2007
No, Criss does not continue to make these claims off-camera -- or rather, when he's not performing. He's quite clear that he doesn't think anyone -- himself included. He said so in that Larry King interview you quoted before.
ANGEL: That -- put it this way, no one has the ability, that I'm aware of, to do anything supernatural, psychic, talk to the dead. And that was what I said I was going to do with "Phenomenon." If somebody goes on that show and claims to have supernatural psychic ability, I'm going to bust them live and on television. That's what Houdini did for more than half of his life, because those people prey on the vulnerable.
KING: But you read body language, as you did with the guy -- picking the guy up.
ANGEL: Yes. Yes, but there is not -- basically as a mentalist, we take our five known senses and create the illusion of a sixth sense. But there is no...
At which point Larry interrupted, as is his wont.
Later on Criss says that Uri does not make these claims himself. If that's true, and not something he's saying in public to smooth relations with someone he has to work with for a while, that's good news. Or perhaps they just agreed that Uri wouldn't make that claim on Phenomenon, and if he did that Criss would call him on it. That's less good news, but a step in the right direction regardless.
The thing about Callahan is that he isn't clearly disclaiming psychic ability. He's giving himself plausible deniability on the issue. All things considered, that's at best irresponsible.
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... written by Walk,
November 12, 2007
In the post-show interview video on YouTube Criss says he’s done 900 shows and has never claimed supernatural or psychic powers on any. Also Randi seems to back him, and if Criss were out there seriously claiming supernatural abilities, I’m sure Randi would be all over it.
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... written by Chris C.,
November 14, 2007
Weeelll.... On that YouTube video he did say what Derek claimed he said. You have to admit that sounds paranormal, if not supernatural. But during a performance I think most conjurers at least imply that something of that sort is going on as part of the show, and I don't see that as particularly problematic.
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... written by Walk,
November 14, 2007
Chris,
Yes, I’m not here to defend Criss. While I think he’s a great illusionist, I have seen clips of him doing a seance and looking absolutely committed to what he’s doing. Then at the end of the show he very briefly says “Do you believe in ghosts? I don’t.” Then he winks. On his website (or myspace or something) there are peeople thanking him for supporting belief in the paranormal. So I don’t know WHAT to think. If he’s gonna attack someone onstage for claiming the paranormal, then he should go out of his way to make sure he doesn’t make anything CLOSE to that sort of claim himself.
The one thing I firmly believe is that there is NO such thing as life after death, psychic powers, etc. I think it’s fine for entertainers to suggest these things as part of their act, as long as the audience realizes it’s JUST a show. What Sylvia Browne does is just disgusting.
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... written by Webbie Dave,
November 16, 2007
The whole confrontation was a set up. I think Randi would agree with that.
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“Let’s see what this performer on Wednesday who “dies” and comes back to life, will be offering us. I’ll bet we don’t get to see what he has tucked under his arm…“
Why won’t you actually do your homework, or actually wait awhile to watch the entire show before attacking regular magicians as Bavli? It seem like you think so much about debunking that you don’t even care about all the innocent people that get hurt by it.
Please be profesional for once.