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SWIFT November 9, 2007 Print E-mail
Written by James Randi   
Thursday, 08 November 2007
Table of Contents
  1. The FC Nonsense Is Still with Us

  2. CNN Berserk

  3. Sylvia Honored

  4. Notice

  5. An Applicant

  6. The Speaker Cable Matter

  7. You Gotta See This

  8. In Closing



THE FC NONSENSE IS STILL WITH US

Gupta

Dr. Hank Schlinger, Ph.D., who has been battling the ridiculous “facilitated communication” farce that we’ve dealt with so many times here in SWIFT, reports on recent disheartening developments. CNN’s Sanjay Gupta, who I’d always thought to be a dependable reporter and commentator, has apparently abandoned any critical thinking he’d formerly had by allowing an obviously biased and naοve report to appear in his blog:

 

Chris

The just-completed Autcom Conference has been profiled in Sanjay Gupta’s Blog on CNN. One of his producers went to the conference just held in Edmonton, Alberta, posted an item on facilitated communication (FC), and is inviting responses. The producer, A. Chris Gajilan, doesn’t raise even the most elementary questions about FC. It seems that those academics who write about such things are right, that science reporters have no interest in being scientific. John Burnham is once again proven correct.

Randi: See tinyurl.com/2v2x7f. Especially, read the comments that follow the article, from those who recognize this as a major farce, and from the agonizing and often deluded parents of autistic children.

CNN again interviewed and continues to provide a network forum to Amanda Baggs, who has now attained cult-hero status. Did CNN ever conduct a background check on this person? Her status as an autism advocate might be questioned by a closer look into her years at Simon’s Rock College when she reportedly talked just fine, chattering on about her various mental illnesses and drug experiences. No, it wouldn’t. These people are true believers. They have already successfully rationalized away the discrepancies and inconsistencies in her story.

The producer missed another obvious bit of medical fraud, right there on the speaker’s podium. Autcom opening speaker and conference organizer, Gail Gillingham Wylie, claims on her website to be able to diagnose and treat a vast array of medical problems over long-distances, via “subspace,” using her “SCIO” device, which employs a “Quantum Xrroid Consciousness Interface.” (Yes, that’s subspace, like in Star Trek.) For just a quick $1000 credit card payment, Wylie claims to be able to diagnose and treat diseases, autism included, from hundreds of miles away using her subspace connection. If the client doesn’t have $1000, she offers lower-cost packages. She has scams for desperate people, both rich and poor. This kind of thing might make an interesting story, speaking directly to the fundamental credibility and honesty of the Autcom leadership. But, it is Dr. Gupta’s job to promote the Time/Warner autism pseudoscience agenda, not be a genuine medical authority. If facilitated communication is real, why not the Quantum Xrroid Consciousness Interface?

Randi: At tinyurl.com/2vehvq and tinyurl.com/38cqbt, you’ll find more…

“But,” as they say in the TV commercials, “there’s more.” If the opening words of the Autcom conference were given by a facilitated communication advocate who believes in a “Quantum Xrroid Consciousness Interface,” it is absolutely fitting that the last talk was given by Anne Donnellan, a facilitated communication advocate who believes in ESP.

Randi comments: Fifteen years ago, in Madison, Wisconsin, I ran tests – at Dr. Anne Donnellan’s personal request – of her notion, the possibility that autistic children were in touch with their “facilitators” via telepathy. She was in charge of the FC farce that was being conducted there, hugely funded. The tests failed definitively, I demonstrated to Donnellan and her staff that their notion was inarguably a total delusion, and I was then dismissed with insults and threats. That’s the “unassailable evidence” referred to, ahead, though no one seems to want to assign credit for that service, which I’ve thoroughly documented…

When Donnellan was confronted over a decade ago with unassailable evidence that facilitators were authoring the statements supposedly made by the people with autism, what did she do? Did she say this, “They’re right, this stuff is bogus!”? No. In a 1993 book, Donnellan and Paul Haskew suggested that the people with autism might have a sixth sense – a kind of extra-sensory perception – by which they tapped into the consciousness of the facilitators, thereby knowing answers to questions they had not seen. A good reporter might have seen how delicious it all would have been, bookending the Autcom story with Quantum Consciousness at one end, and ESP at the other. The juicy FC center would have made the whole thing just perfect. This won’t happen. The job is absolutely not to investigate. The job is to make sure facilitated communication gets as much free publicity as possible courtesy of CNN and its parent company, Time/Warner.

And not only publicity, but extensive funding, as well. Parents of autistic children have been pouring money into the FC nonsense, and have received nothing in return but more appeals for support.

This is my personal statement on “Facilitated Communication”: It’s a cruel, vicious delusion supported by pseudoscience and by generous but careless government and private funding. It doesn’t work, at all, but it provides employment for amateur scientists and technicians who are thereby supported by quackery and will not respond to the clear evidence that investigators such as I have provided them. The parents and the children who are subjected to this procedure are the victims, and they deserve to know the truth about it.

If you have any doubt about the true nature of this scam, look at autcom.org/pdf/ConferenceSchedule.pdf and see a pseudoscience enjoying the adoring recognition of its peers… CNN owes us all an apology.

But there’s more nonsense from the network:




CNN BERSERK

Reader Sam Lewson finds CNN is being woo-woo. How can that be? A supposedly reputable news source actually promoting supernatural beliefs? Now, if that were a TV network, we’d understand! In any case, Sam writes:

While reading CNN.com today under “Living” I found an article called “How to handle these household disasters.” It had some advice on what to do if a wild animal gets in your house, or you have water in your basement, etc. Imagine my surprise when I got to the seventh one, “The house is haunted.” Fortunately they quoted an expert saying that the ghosts won’t harm you and had some tips on how to shoo them away. I was really worried for a while.

This on CNN? Unbelievable!

Here’s the link to the article: tinyurl.com/2y83rg. And it says, under item number 7:

The house is haunted

What to do: If the signs of haunting are auditory, first rule out animals by bringing in a pest-control expert (see crisis No. 1). "Raccoons and bats sleep all day and go outside at night, so you'll hear them moving around at dusk and dawn," says critter wrangler Tom Scollins.

Although ghosts seem scary, they won't harm you, says Stephan A. Schwartz, a research associate at the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory in Palo Alto, California, and spokesperson for the Parapsychological Association. "They're entities that have become trapped in the home, and they really just want help to move along." Light candles or incense; join hands; pray; meditate. "The goal is to express your intention that the spirits leave the building," Schwartz says.

How to keep this from happening to you: Good luck getting a home inspector to check for ghosts before you buy. But consider this: Do-it-yourself exorcisms are kind of fun, and they make great stories.

And, I might add, do-it-yourself getting-smart-exercises are even more fun! They’ll hurt a bit, as you drop away the stupid notions you’ve had cluttering your brain, but that leaves room for real smarts, and they can actually help you make it through life without sending money to Sylvia Browne!




SYLVIA HONORED

Incidentally, Speaking of The Talons, we’ve just had a shipment of books arrive from a chap who finally saw the light and decided not to blow any more money on Ms. Browne. He donated his woo-woo collection to the JREF, and this allowed us to create a new library category, consisting only of the Browne books:

Gupta Adventures of a Psychic

Animals on the Other Side

Blessings from the Other Side

Conversations with the Other Side

God, Creation, and Tools for Life

The Nature of Good and Evil

The Other Side and Back

Past Lives, Future Healing

Soul's Perfection

Sylvia Browne's Book of Dreams

Note that Sylvia seems rather overly-obsessed with the “other side.” That’s ten books, enough to give Sylvia her very own JREF library category! And, each of these books not only conveniently repeats much of what the author says in the other books – in case you didn’t get it – but each book gets funnier as you move along, though reading this nonsense can cause heavy convulsions and wide yawns, I warn you…!

And, I’m not about to find out what Sylvia dreams of in that last book. I’m not that brave.




NOTICE

Dr. David Colquhoun, with the Department of Pharmacology, University College London, has frequently been quoted here on SWIFT. He now notifies us all that:

The “goodscience” blog has now been merged with “Improbable Science.” From now on, everything will be at dcscience.net. The former had an emphasis on how to get good science, which was based originally around, "How to get good science," now at dcscience.net/?p=182. The latter was largely about bad science. But both are about aspects of the interaction of science and society and about the growth of endarkenment thinking, so they have been merged into one blog.

I like that phrase, “endarkenment thinking”! And I strongly recommend that readers regularly look in on the new site to keep informed.




AN APPLICANT

A chap has just contacted me suggesting a test of homeopathy. He wrote as follows – punctuation and grammar intact, since the text is a bit confused:

Dear James Randi

I was interested (curious) to hear of your involvement with the Benveniste trials, and your conclusion (upon your results) that this then wipes out homeopathy as an authentic form of therapy. The bland red herring of placebo is the mundane, established, ill-informed and lazy way of dismissing the art and science of homeopathy, not just from the fact that the remedies act just as powerfully on animals and children (animals placebo??), but when used on adults the remedies don't act until the right remedy is ultimately given and then in their very specific and predictable ways (specific placebos??). If the placebo is so central to the extreme efficacy of homeopathic remedies, then surely the established medical profession now have all the help they need to cure the sick? They don't now need to bother any more with any of the multi-variety of 'evolving' concoctions they are using but just use the placebo, full-stop sorted?

Perhaps, it seems, you are unaware of how each individual remedy is chosen to suit the particular range of symptoms they are capable of curing? They are given to a group of healthy individuals, under very strict double-blind conditions, until they begin to experience changes in their state of health and the new symptoms common to the group (mental physical and emotional) are recorded, which most often show a general remarkable concurrence.

THE CHALLENGE – So what I would dearly like you to do is to take part in a controlled proving, i.e. you will take the homeopathic remedy blind along with a group of others, and your change of symptoms will be recorded via scientific clinical testing of your blood, urine etc both before and after the trial. A remedy will be chosen that will be predicted to induce certain testable physiological changes thus discounting placebo, unless you are going to inveigle placebo in reverse! This will give me your million dollars to pass on to a charity of my choice.

I do of course agree that the success of homeopathy never fails to astound but what is science if not the consistency of results from specifics of method?

Best Wishes
Trevor Jago

I promptly responded thus

Mr. Jago: First, of course, it would be necessary for you to fill out the standard acceptance form – to be found at randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31 – after which we can proceed apace.

I always hasten to accept challenges from smug, self-righteous, totally certain, believers in woo-woo! I therefore accept your offer without hesitation. In the past, I’ve consumed huge quantities of homeopathic preparations that were supposed to produce dreadful consequences in my poor old body, but I only experienced mild indigestion from the lactose.

I am gratified that you announce – concerning the million dollars that you have not yet earned, but which you are so (typically) confident of winning – that the sum will be donated by you to a charity. That is noble, indeed, and demonstrates your selfless dedication. I would caution you not to alert any potential recipient just yet, however; proper tests of homeopathy have a way of disappointing those who support the “art.” Your generous intention – of giving away the prize money – has been expressed to us many times, in fact by most of those who set sail on this bumpy/bounding main. It makes for good press, I’ve found.

When and where shall we engage in this world-shaking confrontation? I assume that you are prepared to undertake the expenses of such a test, and that we will have a firm, written, protocol by which to operate. I am prepared to travel to the UK, if necessary, provided that all my expenses are provided for, of course. Or, you are welcome to visit here and conduct the test. Your choice.

I suggest that you begin looking for some competent, authoritative, and dependable persons in whose hands we can place the control of this procedure. The name Dana Ullman springs to mind, though I believe you’ll find that the homeopathic community is somewhat reluctant to engage in definitive tests of their hazy notions, particularly where I am involved…

I will tell you now that I have ZERO interest in endless esoteric philosophical meanderings and theory weaving. I am ONLY interested in doing the challenge, and getting back to my work. I’m a busy person.

I’ll add that this man is poorly informed re the animal tests he cites, and is unaware of just how familiar I actually am with the involved and rather poetic fashion in which homeopaths approach finding the “right remedy” for specific ailments, but the test will be, as he suggests, to see if predicted physiological changes take place as a result of my ingestion of zero doses of the prescribed substances. And, don’t worry, I’ll be alert to the possibility that some real content might be introduced…!

Needless to say I’m wondering what it means to “inveigle placebo in reverse,” but I guess I’ll find out. I will of course keep you informed of developments.

If any…



THE SPEAKER CABLE MATTER

Michael Fremer, the only person remaining in this suggested test of speaker cables, has fallen silent. How can that be? Surely he’s eager to be tested for the million dollars?

Or maybe not. Are you out there somewhere, Mr. Fremer, sorting through cables and trying to find a set of the magic Pear Anjou items…? We note that we’ve not heard anything recently, and your fans out there are asking me to get on with it…

Ball’s in your court…




YOU GOTTA SEE THIS

Plates Shown here is a side-by-side comparison of an old 29’ wall-plate at the JREF (on the right) beside the latest hi-fi scam to hit the Idiot Market. If you thought that the Pear Anjou claims were ridiculous, refer back to randi.org/jr/021105an.html#6 and randi.org/12095intelligent.html#i1 for the “Dynamica GSIC Intelligent Chip” scam, then go to machinadynamica.com/machina44.htm and see how they’ve outdone themselves – as if that’s possible. Here they advertise their “Newest Super-Toy,” the

Tru-Tone Duplex Light-Switch Cover, a special audiophile-grade cover for all duplex wall outlets; they are intended to replace all types of duplex covers - steel, plastic, wood, etc. - in the listening room, including non-audio outlets - even unused outlets. We suggest a "baseline" of 3-4 Duplex Covers in the room. Tru-Tone Duplex Outlet Covers produce a remarkably powerful, detailed and focused sound.

No, this is not a gag, folks. Dynamica gets US$30 for these wall-plates, and the audiophools are feverishly sending in orders, I’m sure. Note that they suggest covering even unused outlets, and that at least 3 or 4 should be used in a room…! The “remarkably powerful, detailed and focused sound” that results should be easily sensed by Michael Fremer, if he weren’t so preoccupied with testing speaker cables, though I suspect that even Fremer might find this preposterous bit of hi-end swindling, a little doubtful…

No, I guess not…



IN CLOSING…

This was sent to me by the tireless Scot Morris, who cannot allow a good story/joke/illusion to remain uncirculated. It originated with a Jackie Hess, about whom we are otherwise uninformed:

Judy Wallman, a professional genealogical researcher, discovered that Hillary Clinton's great-great uncle, Remus Rodham, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Montana in 1889. The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows. On the back of the picture is this inscription: "Remus Rodham; horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times, caught by Pinkerton Detectives, convicted and hanged in 1889.

Judy e-mailed Hillary Clinton for comments. Hillary's staff of Professional image adjusters sent back the following biographical sketch:

Remus Rodham was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory. His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Montana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to service at a government facility, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed.

And THAT is how it's done when you're a politician, folks!

I’m informed that the latest edition of the Skeptics' Circle is up, and it takes the form of an open letter to the readily-credulous of matters such as Quantum-Touch, magical vitamins, and the usual woo-woo-like suspects. See it at tinyurl.com/2pstlg.

The latest episode of the NBC-TV series, “Phenomenon,” calls for little comment. It continues to bore, getting to look more and more like an ooh-I’m-gonna-die show, with constant pleas for “absolute silence” from the host, and “mind-blowing” murmurs from Geller. Great lighting, spooky studio set, fine music, a handful of good performances. But that’s it…

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written by fluffy, November 09, 2007
Regarding FC, while it's certain that a lot of the FC practitioners are fraudsters, I would not entirely dismiss its efficacy out of hand. Perhaps you have heard of Silentmiaow, a non-communicative but literate autistic? She is completely unable to speak, but she can write, and communicate through a speech synthesizer. She has at many times in the past stated that she DOES sometimes use FC, because sometimes she is unable to communicate in any other way. Her response to those who decry FC based purely on testing is that she completely buckles under the pressure when there's a test which will decide whether she can continue to communicate.

http://havecoffeewillwrite.com/?p=2818 might be an interesting starting place for reading.

Autism is a very fascinating but bizarre condition. Remember that an autistic person is a person, whose brain is wired wrong, and NOT simply a chemical reaction where things behave deterministically or rationally, and autistics who are in that small overlap between literate but non-communicative are so fundamentally different that you can't assume that their thought processes will lead to them being able to succeed at a test.
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written by Aepervius, November 09, 2007
Are you sure that the CNN comment for haunted house was not simply sarcastic "tongue in mouth" ? I read it as a bit of humour, but it might be that my knowledge of the Oxfordian language made me mistake something serious for humour...
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written by Jason, November 09, 2007
And, don’t worry, I’ll be alert to the possibility that some real content might be introduced…!

Ahh, that's something I had also been worried about when I first heard that you had offered to 'overdose' on homeopathic 'medicine'.

By the way, in regards to the magic audio cable tests, has the possibility of them 'marking' the cables they provide been entertained? By this I mean purposely degrading one set of cables, how I don't know, so that they can then claim to 'hear' the superior qualities in the right set of cables.
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written by Glenn Ian Davey, November 09, 2007
I do believe that Mrs Clinton's people were in fact admitting to exactly what was levelled at them, only by using tongue-in-cheek 'political'-speak, of course.

They can't very well admit outright that Clinton would be related to outlaws, but this cleverly-worded response seemed to say, "Yes you're dead right about ol' Remus but here's our 'official' version!" ;)
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written by betty gillian, November 09, 2007
I worked with a fourteen year old autistic boy some years ago in a one on one situation in a school for three months. He wasn't integrated, even in the Special Ed class, as he was violent. After a month or so, someone from the local autism group offered to help teach facilitated communication. I knew him pretty well by then and I saw no comprehension at all. I left a couple of months later, with bruises and nightmares.

The woman who had come about facilitated communication took over. Soon, it was announced that he was highly intelligent, sensitive and caring. I already knew that he was caring because he threw the furniture when I told him I was leaving.

However, people treated him quite differently,and were not frightened any more. He was more relaxed, and was able to come out into the general population, where he was seen as a handicapped genius. I still don't believe in the facilitated communication but the implication of its success made the boy's life a lot better.
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written by Mattiew Fields, November 09, 2007
Snopes covered the Remus Rodham story years ago. The same story on the same day went out as being about Gunther Gore. Randi's caution that the whole story sounds like a set-up is right on the money.
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written by Mike, November 09, 2007
I always hasten to accept challenges from smug, self-righteous, totally certain, believers in woo-woo! I therefore accept your offer without hesitation.

Do you expect your challenge to be taken seriously when you respond to challengers like this? I noticed this in your correspondence with Michael Fremer too. Although I have issues with him myself, you're never going to attract anyone to the challenge other than the delusional if you behave like this toward them.
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written by JC Hrubovcak, November 09, 2007
I am responding to Glenn Ian Davey's remarks: It was a joke. Didn't happen. It's fiction. This is an old joke updated to use Hillary Clinton as ahe is an easily recognized politician. Randi said it was a joke. Use a search engine and you'll find variations on this joke on the Web that predate Hillary's political career. The intrdoduction to the item tells you this.
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written by chuck, November 09, 2007
I'm in agreement with Mike here. Trevor was certainly fairly smug, but the response certainly failed to rise above it.

I read SWIFT from the beginning, and I remember how it was really a great source for investigative reporting, but these days it seems to just be a collection of "look at what the stupid-dumb-face-poopyhead woo-woos are doing now" rants (language chosen for effect) and ongoing vendettas that should simply have been dropped as unproductive. Yes, the endarkenment movement (I too like that term) gets me pig-biting mad too sometimes, but frankly, baiting people into rash personal invective is a weapon they're using to good effect.

Speaking more generally, one of the things that attracts people to the "woo-woos" is that the new-age types who actually believe this stuff tend to exude this sort of warm hippie nurturing personality, while we rational types are seen as cold and analytical sorts (audiophiles are a different sort of category, I speak mostly of the crystals/chakras/mandalas types). It'd certainly be nice if we didn't continue feeding the perception of us as prickly people.

BTW, the forum software is malfunctioning for anonymous users, and is filling in the name field with previous values.
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written by Railoc, November 09, 2007
One of the problems I've noticed with being a skeptic is that placebos don't work on me. I have trouble even convincing myself that Vicodin is working. So when an ex of mine had me buy some homeopathic pill to help my sleeplessness, they appeared to do nothing. The funny part is that I didn't even realize they were homeopathic until hours after I had taken them (while still completely awake).

Back to Nyquil for me, I guess.
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written by Carey Poehlmann, November 09, 2007
I wonder if we would have even seen the appearance of a high end outlet cover if it were not for the exposure given to the gullability of the majority of audiophiles spending all of their money on cables. I think I shall now create a replacement volume control knob that has woo woo technology in it to give a truer level of volume adjustment. Randi, I will split the profits if you agree not to debunk my product.
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written by Amy Kidd, November 09, 2007
written by Carey Poehlmann, November 09, 2007

"I wonder if we would have even seen the appearance of a high end outlet cover if it were not for the exposure given to the gullability of the majority of audiophiles spending all of their money on cables. I think I shall now create a replacement volume control knob that has woo woo technology in it to give a truer level of volume adjustment. Randi, I will split the profits if you agree not to debunk my product."

Thanks Carey...you just reminded me of one of my favourite scenes from Spinal Tap. "These (knobs) are very special. See, they all go to eleven...eleven all across the boards." "But most amps go up to 10, does it mean that they are louder?" "Well, it's one louder, isn't it?" Classic!
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written by Glenn Ian Davey, November 09, 2007
To JC Hrubovcak: Thank you for pointing out the "fiction" factor! It was past my bedtime, but I was eager to read the latest "Swift" and I completely missed the part about it being a story/joke/illusion.

Re: frivolous claims, I agree with chuck who has commented previously. I understand it must be frustrating to process claim-after-claim-after-claim, but being prickly and smug to people does not achieve anything.

Let's be warm and nurturing and fun *while* being skeptical - after all, we're enlightened and they're not, right?

Right??
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written by fluffy, November 09, 2007
Amy Kidd,

You only think you're joking.

http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RAM&Category_Code=VOLUME - $6820/pair for "audiophile-quality" potentiometers.
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written by Jeff Alberts, November 09, 2007
CNN has also gone berserk that the planet is in peril, without any evidence except for some melting icicles.

I noticed that Head-On is typically one of the sponsors for Gupta's segments.
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written by Joe, November 09, 2007
I guess I shouldn't be to surprised.

Back in the days of disco I remember an audio company that got the contracts to upgrade the sound systems of many of the clubs around my college.

They were selling the same gear as any other company might sell but with a twist.

When making the sight survey for the location they would release helium party balloons in different parts of the room while one member of the team furiously scribbled notes.

When asked they responded that it allowed them to gage air flow in the room for optimum speaker placement.

Club owners were so impressed that these guys went that extra step that they would pay extra just the have them install their systems.
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written by Martin Richer, November 09, 2007
At first reading I agree with posters who feel we should rise above the vitriol of skeppick/bleever interactions, to take and hold the high ground of civility. On the other, after my forty years dealing with them, it seems like it just doesn't make any difference how one speaks to and with them, so... to each his own. Fire away!
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written by Jeffersonian, November 10, 2007
While it's true that some woo-woos can only be treated with a slightly heavy hand, many people have their own journey to deal with - they must first pass through endarkenment before seeing logical truth as light. Why treat them so harshly? That just makes them burrow. Randi, I'm a fan, but your demeanor is unnecessarily caustic so much of the time. The world would be somewhat more idyllic were these flies caught, but you'll catch more flies with honey.
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written by Carey Poehlmann, November 10, 2007
Martin, does a person's disposition as a skeppick or bleever determine how to treat them, or are you talking about reacting to them after they won't listen to you? We all know people on each side of the fence, and I hope that we can be civilized with all of them. As far as the scum that cheat unknowing consumers out of their money, I don't see anything wrong with treating them like the dirt that they are.
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written by Pieter D Breitner, November 11, 2007
you're never going to attract anyone to the challenge other than the delusional if you behave like this toward them


Someone's going to turn down the chance at a million bucks and worldwide fame because Brother James has a penchant for sarcasm when dealing with the delusional? Doesn't say much for their confidence in their beliefs, does it?

I think I shall now create a replacement volume control knob that has woo woo technology in it to give a truer level of volume adjustment. Randi, I will split the profits if you agree not to debunk my product.

Sorry, too late. See http://www.randi.org/jr/123104my.html . Reference Audio Mods used to sell -- the product seems to have disappeared from their website -- replacement knobs for the near - $7000 potentiometer (volume control) noted above. They were touted as a significant improvement to the plastic knobs it came with, made of beechwood with bronze sleeves inside and coated with a special lacquer. Only $485. Each. The special CT-37 lacquer is still available, though at only $60 for a 0.5 oz. (14 g) bottle. Oh, there are two different types of this lacquer; one is for items that will remain at room temperature, 22° C, and another for items that will be warmed up in use, 35°C.
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written by Walk, November 12, 2007
I’m with those who approve of Randi’s comment style. Many of the woo-wooers are arrogant and pushy. Randi’s use of sarcasm and in-your-face-ness is truly entertaining to me. It may be off-putting to some, but Randi is not SOLICITING people to accept his challenge. I think he could care less. If someone is making an unsubstaniated claim they should be willing to take a little good-natured ribbing while trying to win the million!
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written by David C., November 12, 2007
"...the remedies act just as powerfully on animals and children".

Ok, how powerful and how fast is the effectivness of such remedies? because if they claim that it's slower then It's obvious that the immune system is taking care of it.

AFAIK animal's immune system is stronger than human's, but then again there's no way they can tell us "hey, I'm feeling better already".
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written by mcg, November 13, 2007
Walk, is the purpose of the JREF simply to ridicule and poke fun at those who believe in wacky things, or is it actually somewhat related to education as its name implies? I would like to think it's the latter; and similarly I would like to think that the purpose of the MDC is not just to cause one person to fail at their claimed skill, but to cause many others to observe that failure and draw a concrete lesson from it. If I'm on the right track, then I think it ought to be considered that Mr. Randi's approach, especially in this particular case, has been counterproductive to the challenge. Mr. Fremer, for all of his faults, did appear to me at least to be a very willing participant. Besides, Mr. Randi might be justified in his arrogance if he displayed a bit more knowledge of the subject matter. He should frankly be embarrassed (or angry at his advisors) for some of his more egregious errors (not knowing what an "interconnect" is, not doing even the most basic research on the Transparent cables before accepting them into the challenge, etc.)
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written by mcg, November 13, 2007
Having said that I'm glad Randi has stumbled upon the Machina Dynamica site. That is almost certainly the most audacious load of snake oil in the audio community, and that's saying a lot.
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written by Walk, November 13, 2007
mcg,

Well, obviously Randi’s not perfect, but overall I think he’s doing a great job. I haven’t followed the audio cable thing closely, but I do believe the claimant was a bit aggressive and kinda crazy. I agree that the purpose of JREF should not be to poke fun at people who believe wacky things, but it seems to me that Randi only pokes fun at people who want to rip off the gullible with phony claims. What Sylvia Browne is doing (for instance) is simply disgusting, and while we could say “Hey if these rich guys want to drop $6000 for a pair of audio cables, who cares!”, I believe in principles, and applaud Randi’s efforts. It seems to me that we haven’t heard from Fremer, not because of Randi’s approach, but because Fremer knows he can’t prove his claim.
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written by sebastian larsen, November 13, 2007
From http://www.referenceaudiomods....ode=VOLUME

Terms and Conditions

Silver Rocks cannot be returned or exchanged for any reason so please make sure it fits in your system by trying a demo unit."


Wow, that spells f-r-a-u-d in my book.

First post, nice to be here.
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written by Ove Thomsen, November 14, 2007
Not that i would accuse the Clinton staff of plagiarism but the story sounds very much like an old Mark Twain story i read once. I don't think they copied it straight but the main story (and cause of death :) ) is the same.
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written by Iain, November 14, 2007
While the Clinton story is funny (and Randi lists it as "story/joke/illusion" it needs to be seen as what it is: political propaganda masquerading as humor. C'mon, skeptics, be true to your selves :)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/thief.asp
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written by tvhawaii, November 14, 2007
"Machina Dynamica
Product Prices
All Machina Dynamica products except Teleportation Tweak
backed by 30-day money-back guarantee
Teleportation Tweak performed during telephone call to Machina Dynamica. $60."

Huh?


http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina33.htm
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written by Walk, November 14, 2007
Whew! That’s a good one! Here’s the explanation of the “Teleportation Tweak”.
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm
They send signals over your phone to improve the sound of your stereo, which doesn’t even have to be ON at the time! Boy, these guys are GOOD! (and only 60 bucks!)
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written by tvhawaii, November 14, 2007
I'd love to have a 'spycam' shot of them composing the text on that page...hard to believe that it wouldn't be filled with guffaws.

The FTC shut down Miss Cleo's phone line, but...
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written by Walk, November 14, 2007
Ya, can you believe people actually fall for this stuff?!
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written by JC Hrubovcak, November 15, 2007
David C.:

What kind of skeptic writes the following?

AFAIK animal's immune system is stronger than human's,

How did you come up with that?

As to the audiophiles who buy this expensive crap: they're True Believers who are insecure. They have some psychological need to "know" that they're getting something that the rest of the world is missing. This is a religion. Facts don't matter. They're condescending, just like Ted Haggard was to Richard Dawkins (what a luagh!).

As to Randi's tone when dealing with the Assholes of Woo, I say let them have both barrels. They're not listening anyway. If you're gentle with these jerks, they just laugh and tell you how much they pity you because you haven't achieved enlightenment. If, however, they change and open their minds, admitting that they're using factless dogma, then you can treat tham as respectfully as you would like to be treated. Until they do: screw 'em. They're killing us all. Literally. Check out Marvin Minsky's keynote address to the Skeptic's Congress for details. We could be immortal.
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written by Jon Justice, November 15, 2007
At the top of the Machina Dynamica Teleportation Tweak page, there is a section explaining the background and qualifications of Geoff Kait. My eye was particularly drawn to his undergraduate thesis "Preliminary design of low-thrust engine for interplanetary travel utilizing momentum transfer mechanisms in highly magnetic metal crystal bombarded by high-energy ions." In other words, whilst at college he experimented with crystal meth and travelled to other worlds. Ho ho ho.
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written by Walk, November 15, 2007
Aha! That explains a lot!

On a similar note, my wacky cousin wants to replace rocket propulsion with high tech vacuum ballons to put payloads into space. Riiight, cuz!
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written by Mary Ann Harrington, November 15, 2007
As a teacher of students with autism for many years. My students were able to pick up my mental prompts with incredible accuracy. If there is someone from your organization in the Milwaukee area, I would be happy to show them.
Admittedly, I have found these children to also be very sensitive to subtle cuing-much more so than a person with typical wiring.

Mary Ann
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written by Warren, November 25, 2007
I can't believe that you have revived the speaker cable debate.IF you want to read pages and pages of this debate go to rec audio high-end on usenet. The reasons against using double blind testing, abx boxes or any serious debate on how an audio cable could make a difference would make most psychics blush. I've been down this road to many times as an audiophile and a record collector. Fremer can be a great person when he talks about music but when he enters into equipment testing and reviewing one has to remeber that the mortgage needs to be paid and that all that free gear and trips one gets only come if you hear what the readers want you to hear.
I seem to recall a great scare in the audio world years ago when the state of new york was going to bring fraud charges against speaker cable manufacturers but for some reason the investigation was put aside and the profits were safe.
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written by Walk, November 26, 2007
Warren,

I’m not sure I understood your post. Are you saying you think it’s okay to defraud people in order to pay the rent? Are you saying that Fremer is a decent guy?
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written by Cindy, December 01, 2007
I'm pretty well convinced that Geller is a fraud - from what I've read and seen online.

It seems that Mr. Randi, with the intention of exposing frauds, is not going into an investigation with an open mind. It seems that his mind is already made up from the beginning. I guess he isn't a scientist but there is something to be said about being objective and open to the truth rather than motivated by the intent to expose a fraud. It seems that the people who Mr. Randi exposes are on one end of the spectrum and Mr. Randi and most of the comments I've seen on this web site are at the other end. I guess I prefer more objective reporting (starting from the center point of the spectrum) - being agenda free from the start.
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written by Walk, December 02, 2007
Cindy,

You do have a point here. I too believe that all skeptics should keep an open mind.

In Randi’s defense, however, I believe in most cases, that people come to Randi as opposed to the other way around. He is often called by the media to appear with people making claims. All he is saying is that the paranormal does not exist, and after hundreds of applicants, claiming extraordinary powers, have failed to prove anything, and after numerous independant scientific studies have failed, it’s easy to see why he would develop a bias. I believe, however, that if anyone ever proves conclusively that that paranormal DOES exist, he’ll be the first to admit he was wrong, Nobel prizes will follow, and the scientific community will fall over themselves to make new discoveries. The world would become a very different place.

You say that you are “pretty well convinced” that Geller is a fraud, so I’m quessing that you believe that paranormal powers COULD be real. Here is a short article you may find interesting, written by a female researcher from England who has spent 30 years of her life trying to prove the existence of the supernatural. (Sorry I’ve made such a long comment).

http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/Chapters/Kurtz.htm
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written by John C. Randolph, December 02, 2007

Jeffersonian,

In the words of the Sage of Baltimore: "The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous and ridiculous."

Ridicule is an important tool in the fight for rationality over superstition. When some makes an asinine claim, call them on it, immediately and loudly.

-jcr

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