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SWIFT February 29, 2008 Print E-mail
Written by James Randi   
Thursday, 28 February 2008
Table of Contents
  1. The Latest on the Geller Front

  2. Steorn: Still Active?

  3. South Africa Again

  4. And Once More

  5. Howe Numb Noory

  6. Hot Air A-Plenty

  7. Homeopathic Tragedies Revisited

  8. Accept the Good Part

  9. The Grubbies Attack!

  10. Defended

  11. Prize Winner?

  12. Norwegian Nuttery

  13. In Closing…



THE LATEST ON THE GELLER FRONT

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The TV program titled “The Next Uri Geller” – just run by the Pro-Sieben channel in Germany – now has its audience wondering just why anyone would want to have another such character. Though it was all kept very secretive, the strange clauses in the contract signed by mentalists who asked to be part of the program, have now been made public, and since German law is very contract-oriented, there are many questions being asked – a little too late. Some of the contract terms were anything but magical; at first, the producers didn’t even want to lay down the prize of €100,000 that they’d advertised!

Pro-Sieben described the casting theme of the show as, “incredible phenomena,” but the only really incredible fact about the show was the contract itself. Constantin Entertainment, the company who produced the show, issued a “contract for participants” full of terms that did a lot to expose the strange whims of the producers, though it turned out that the ethics of the would-be participants were a cut or two above those of Constantin Entertainment. Though any professional stage magician/mentalist of course presents an audience with illusions that appear to be impossible, it is considered a serious ethical breach to represent one's performance to be “paranormal” or “supernatural.” Thus, many of the candidates shook their heads when – after they had successfully passed the selection/audition procedure in Cologne – a contract was presented to them by Constantin in which the conditions for their participation said that by signing, they were certifying that they possessed

…pronounced psychic and intuitive abilities such as mind reading, telekinesis, suggestion and autosuggestion.

Said one of the applicants who refused to sign this agreement, and was later interviewed:

When I received the contract, my first thought was: I don’t believe my own eyes… I simply cannot attest that I can move things with my mind. I don’t have such abilities or powers, nor do any of the other candidates. Personally, it displeases me very much that the producers of the show are pretending that something supernatural will actually take place.

floating table The program I did for the rival TV channel – “Welt der Wunder – Kraft der Gedanken” – hadn't attained an 8% audience in 2008, but on the show we did, they got 10.7% – an average of 1.2 million spectators, 2.2 million at peak! They also beat the main competitor in the group of science-magazine shows. Their Internet server at www.wdwip.tv is able to handle 10,000 different users at one time, but it broke down immediately after the show started, which means that there were more than 10,000 different persons trying to get in, and they don't yet know exactly how many they finally got. Amazing, because their viewer record – up to then – was 1,500… That 10.7% rating for a "science" show is considered quite a success.

From Australia, our colleague Richard Saunders sent me his commentary on the “Welt Der Wunder” show:

levitation I must say that I am amazed that after all these years an independent production would display such sense and reason by clearly presenting you as exposing the tricks of Uri Geller. There is little room left here for question as you show in no uncertain terms that Geller’s miracles are indeed parlor tricks. Spoon bending, starting broken watches, compass moving and lifting people into the air all come in for the James Randi treatment.

Although the tricks of Geller seem to be the backbone of the show, you are also seen to be explaining other miracles such as how to move matches under an inverted glass fish tank, and table levitation. The German translation of your words is very good and conveys your meaning well. The general narration in German also clearly describes other feats, such as people who seem to be magnetic, and then explains how this really works.

A section about 9/11 seems to also debunk any paranormal connections however my German did let me down a little as I am unable to give you a clear understanding. Also, there is a segment about a seminar and a segment about brain function that appears to explain so-call paranormal events but I am unsure of my complete understanding here.

I was able to understand most of this show and I am delighted with it. Congratulations. This show needs to have English subtitles added ASAP. I can also report that the producers have been in contact with Australian Skeptics for our advice about getting the program aired in this country.

kulagina The "Welt der Wunder show – Kraft der Gedanken" will be re-broadcast on German TV. The first date is March 1st, at 7p.m., and then at 11p.m. on NTV. Next is March 3rd at 10p.m. on NTV and the last will be on March 4th at 8p.m., also on NTV.

The “winner” of the Geller show on the rival ProSieben channel was a man calling himself "Vincent Raven," even though his tricks failed regularly, he had zero sense of humor, and he opted to seriously claim that he had special powers and could speak with dead people. In fact, he relayed to one bereaved and weeping audience member a message he said her dead father had for her "from the beyond." This fraudulent claim that he had real magical powers – aided by a tame on-the-shoulder raven as psychic assistant! – shooed him in as the winner; he played their game, and he was rewarded…

What really got to me – and this indicates just how determinedly woo-woo-oriented ProSieben is – they have just announced that there will be another Geller show: this time the winners of the “competitions” from several countries will compete against each other in one show… Despite the poor reviews, the media scorn, the overall public perception that Geller is a discredited psychic pretender and has been masquerading as a wonder-worker for 36+ years, sponsors are still eager to be part of the fakery – because it sells products. No surprise there. The dollar/euro is the bottom line; the consumer public be damned. I’m sure Geller will coast along on this wave for awhile longer.

For a while…

For anyone that would like to watch the "Welt der Wunder" show you can visit our video gallery and see the complete show in 5 parts. View those videos here.




STEORN: STILL ALIVE?

Reader Niall Morrissey, along with several other SWIFT readers, commented on Bob Park’s recent item – at www.randi.org/joom/content/view/166/1/#i5 – by informing us that this may have been a premature death notice. Writes Niall:

Steorn are still in business – at least according to their CEO Sean McCarthy, they are. They have other business ongoing, so their viability may not be entirely dependent on their Orbo [the perpetual-motion device].

They have utterly failed to meet the various deadlines for their promised demonstration – as well as for the jury consideration of their device. Indeed, there is great doubt as to whether a jury was ever actually elected. They may now be hoping that the matter dies a quiet death. I'm determined to prevent that happening, so that at least a search on the Internet will show that the cycle from claim through verification, through to final acceptance that it cannot be done, is cleanly presented on the record. For the moment, the previously garrulous Sean McCarthy is ignoring all requests for interim updates on the process.

It's such an obvious hoax. The failed demo was initially blamed on heat from the lights, and subsequently on failure of the bearings. Any engineers worth their salt would have asked the audience to talk amongst themselves while they sorted out such minor issues. As McCarthy said at the time, though, had they wished to commit a hoax, the audience would have seen a wheel spinning, no matter what. My suspicion is that perhaps the demo setup was more open than he had envisaged. Either that, or his engineering company lacks even the minor skills required to convince an eager crowd of OU [over-unity] supporters.

In the meantime, I am aware of two media sources in Dublin planning a "What has happened with your claims?" story in the next while. As I said before, there is reluctance to tackle someone to whom they have already given airtime, as it may make it appear that they were taken in; it will still be done, though.

Be warned, though, it's always possible that the place is now just a crater in the ground, a successful experiment having generated too much energy, creating a localized singularity which simultaneously proved their claims right, while tragically destroying the only working version of the free-energy device along with the geniuses who could have saved mankind!

Bob Park tells me he’s rooting around to discover the source of his item, and may report to us at any moment…




SOUTH AFRICA AGAIN

Reader Linton Davies, in Pretoria, South Africa, sends us this item taken from the BBC website:

South Africa's outspoken health minister has said medicines used by traditional healers should not be subject to clinical trials. Manto Tshabalala-Msimang warned against using what she called Western protocols for research and development. Medicines used for thousands of years should not become "bogged down in clinical trials", she said. She was speaking during a meeting with traditional healers to discuss a draft policy to regulate the practice. Said she:

We cannot use Western models of protocols for research and development.

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Of course, this is the usual reaction against science and rationality – especially as practiced in the West – by Ms. Tshabalala-Msimang, who we’ve met previously several times in SWIFT, most recently at tinyurl.com/ysft3r. She says:

The healers complain that the South African government has been too slow in implementing a law passed in 2005 aimed at integrating traditional medicine into the mainstream health system.

Yes, I’m sure there were complaints. Superstition and ethnic pride have combined, in this unhappy country, to depress the quality of medical care to the lowest point possible. Anyone there with sufficient means opts to go to any other country just to avoid the perils of South African medicine. Says the BBC agency:

Ms. Tshabalala-Msimang has faced criticism in the past for suggesting garlic and vegetables be used to combat the spread of HIV.

And as a direct result of that suggestion, the index of HIV-related deaths and infection are higher in that country than anywhere else. Thank you, Ms. Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, for the agony, death, and despair that you’ve brought to your country and your fellow-citizens through your support of superstition.

Linton Davies continues:

Yes, maybe traditional healers have some arcane knowledge that can actually cure something, but according to the health minister this is just a nuisance. I have the feeling that clinical trials would only serve to drive a lot of traditional healers underground, so to speak, and people would go on consulting them anyway. They are consulted because they offer a wide range of services: they can give you a potion to cure disease, cause disease, cast out evil spirits, make you impervious to bullets – if you're planning a bank heist – and they can help you earn money and get you in touch with dead relatives, something for all occasions.

If you ever visit a "muti shop" (sort of a drug store), you'll see that the products are indeed very traditional: bark, leaves and roots from a variety of plants, as well as animal products such as dried toads and bats, crocodile teeth, anteater claws, bird's beaks and very likely the odd human body part. How can we ever drag people from darkness into light? The JREF has done a sterling job over the years, but I despair when I think of the popularity of "traditional healers" anywhere in the world, not to mention exorcism, turning water into wine, faith healers, mediums, the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, reflexology, crystals, magnets, dowsing rods, etc.

Linton, I have to caution you, as I’ve done to many others: don’t condemn all natural products – “bark, leaves and roots” – out of hand. Digitalis, aspirin, quinine, belladonna, and a myriad of other very medicinally-useful substances, were initially discovered by trial-and-error and by listening to “native healers.” They remain important parts of our pharmacopeia. However, anteater claws and human body parts, in my admittedly amateur opinion, might be subjected to more rigorous evaluation…




AND ONCE MORE

Reader Patrick Linzer provides us with yet further evidence that South Africa needs a severe shaking-up and a heavy dose of rationality:

Hello Randi, and respectful greetings from a somewhat uncertain South Africa, what with our present assortment of political, economic and social troubles. Your weekly SWIFTs are a welcome beacon of sanity that gives direction to those who find themselves tossed about in a turbulent inundation of malarkey. Would that more of our fellows read your epistles.

One certainty, however, is the perpetual profitability of the preposterous. Previous SWIFT editions have mentioned South Africa’s Danie Krügel who claims to have developed a unique technology for locating missing people using a cutting of their hair, or, variously, a sample of their DNA. Well, it seems that this man’s talents admit of no boundaries. Just recently he claims to have developed a new device that is derived from his locating apparatus – a new device that allows him to diagnose early on a variety of cancers in humans, given the afflicted person’s blood sample. In addition, he says that his new device can be programmed to detect other diseases.

Unfortunately there is at present no English-language media report covering this. An Afrikaans report is available… but there is a reasonably good English translation to be found at the South African Skeptics’ Forum tinyurl.com/2fdu74. Note, however, that the translation contains an error, as noted subsequently in that forum thread. To be sure, it is a little odd that Mr. Krügel’s fan site www.daniekrugelfacts.com does not yet mention this remarkable diagnostic ability of Mr. Krügel’s, which has supposedly been validated by a practicing medical professional as well as the newspaper, Rapport, that reported it.

A careful reading of the newspaper report raises appreciably more questions than it answers, in particular concerning such things as controls against cheating, blinding, randomization, various inadvertent cues, and so on. Moreover, the report does not mention whether any relevant experts, e.g. oncologists or biophysicists, were consulted about the physical plausibility of Mr. Krügel’s claimed technology, and the overall flavor of the article is one of thinly veiled credulity. As one commentator astutely put it, “Holy double-blind testing, Batman!” The clear and present danger is that this fairytale in two chapters has rapidly gathered the kind of momentum where the hype and fabrications surrounding Mr. Krügel’s capabilities overwhelm any rational appraisal.

Mr. Krügel has also asserted that he is in the process of patenting his technology. It is interesting that, according to Wikipedia (under the topic “patent prosecution”), South Africa is not especially strict about patents, and an application can be passed without “substantive examination” in a matter of a few months instead of years. The rationale is that patents are passed sooner and any challenges involving precedence or validity are left open for settlement by litigation. This means that Mr. Krügel should experience few if any barriers to patenting his technology. I’m sure, however, that I am not alone in the suspicion that Mr. Krügel will draw this out forever and a day.

All in all, it is my considered opinion that both Mr. Krügel and his many adherents in the media and elsewhere should either put up or shut up. But I’m also realistic (or, if you will, cynical) enough to understand that, as [musician] Ry Cooder once lamented, “Chances is mighty slim.”




HOWE NUMB NOORY

The “Coast to Coast AM” radio show is singled out by reader Christopher Long, who provides us with a critique – not too difficult a task, and fun – for our entertainment:

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Woo-Woo in Overdrive on Late Night Radio

On the evening of 22-23 February, the notoriously woo-woo AM radio show, “Coast to Coast with George Noory” had a guest named Linda Moulton Howe. It was an exercise for the factually-challenged. What is incredible about the 4-hour+ woo-woo sessions on Coast to Coast is the constant rehash of a short list of “unexplained” events and phenomena, though it can be fun listening. It seems Ms. Moulton Howe has a new book out, which, as we all know, qualifies her as an expert on whatever topic about which she stands and delivers.

Cattle mutilations were a big topic, and Ms. Moulton Howe had host Noory rhapsodic over her “evidence.” It seems that cattle that die of lightning strikes (common on western ranges) or natural causes, soon show evidence of excisions around natural body openings, according to the expert Ms. Moulton Howe. Aliens, we were told, use the removed flesh and tissue for “genetic material gathering” and cloning cows for food, blah, blah. You get the idea. What Ms. Moulton Howe “forgot” to tell us was that, amidst public panic over a few cattle mutilations, a clever sheriff out west and his deputies decisively proved that maggots can and do produce seeming excision wounds around natural body openings of deceased cattle. You see, it is those natural body openings where the flies lay their eggs…you know the rest. Quite a clever experiment for a local sheriff. But those facts were not on the radar screen during the Coast to Coast program.

The recent “confirmed” UFO sightings in Texas also came under scrutiny by the talented Moulton Howe. At one point we were told that she called a U.S. Navy Reserve air station in Fort Worth, I believe, and spoke with a Navy officer – Major so-and-so. Oh, really? Majors in the U.S. Navy, eh? The screed about the Texas sightings centered around low-light video of deer feeding at a feeder when a blinding column of light shone next to them and one of the deer disappeared! Poof, gone! Teleported to another dimension, I suppose. Then she went on to talk about a scientist in Europe who had seen something similar and had digital infrared images of the light beam. The scientist (forget his name; I was laughing too hard), she said, determined the light beam had the composition of plasma. Oh, really ? I didn’t know you could do a light amplitude or spectrum analysis of digitized images…Ooooops! You see, all the pixilated data is just a mathematical abstract of....you know the rest... Anyway, the government is covering everything up, we were told, and no-one will blow the whistle because they are all “under threat.” You’ve heard that one before…

During the course of taking calls, host George Noory had an exchange with a caller and both were speaking of the DaVinci Code as an established fact. Go figure. The audience for such junk is recognizable: one guy claimed to have an IQ of 250 and had been in mental institutions and prisons (that part I believed); another guy claimed to have been awakened in the wee hours of the morning with an alien that looked like a catfish reposing in his bed; another guy claimed “International Bankers” were responsible for UFO sightings but the link between the two was a trifle unclear and escaped me.

Then it was time for crop circles, a still “unexplained phenomenon,” according to Ms. Moulton Howe. Funny, she must have missed the pictures the original pranksters took of themselves making alien glyphs in a wheat field; it seems a lot of people missed those pictures. I have a suggestion for Ms. Linda Moulton Howe. Take those low-light cameras that are photographing plasma beams and go to England and camp near wheat fields in the area known for crop circles that now hosts previously-absent tourists. Set up a blind and record away. We’ll soon see the creators of crop circles…let’s just hope a beam of plasma light doesn’t teleport the pranksters to another dimension…

Christopher, we must give due credit and accreditation here. This woman is a regional-Emmy-award-winning investigative journalist and documentary producer-writer-director-editor. She has a Masters Degree in Communications, has won a Station Peabody Award, and was Director of Special Projects at Channel 7, Denver, Colorado. She would appear to have credentials as a communicator. Unfortunately, she has also opted to accept the cattle-mutilation nonsense and the “crop circles” mythology, though these matters have been fully explained, several times over…




HOT AIR A-PLENTY

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With no great pleasure, I have to direct you to an astonishing site – www.erichufschmid.net. This man Eric Hufschmid raves on and on endlessly about Zionism, pedophilia, Holocaust Denial, the Apollo Moon Landing Hoax, sex slavery, 9/11, taxes, immigration, everyone who ever “disappeared,” and the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, and blames it all on the MacArthur Foundation, Michael Shermer, Phil Plait, Rebecca Watson, John Walsh of “America’s Most Wanted,” Ron Paul, and – of course – me. To Hufschmid, these are all “Jewish crimes,” we’re all “Zionists,” and we’re responsible for everything bad that’s ever happened to humanity. He’s a perfect example of a paranoiac conspiracy nut, and I suggest that you go there to see the face of the deranged enemy. It’s both disgusting and hilarious to try following the meanderings of such a mind. Hufschmid sees every event, statement, attitude, goal and effort of anyone who promotes rationality, as Zionist-inspired plot to conceal the Truth and confound The Good People.

Well, we’ve got him confounded, that’s for sure. This is the sort of person who has nothing else going for him, he’s stumbled upon the fact that the media will snap up any sufficiently-far-out ravings, and he’ll suddenly find himself up on Google and before cameras and microphones, being exploited by otherwise idle broadcasters. Next stop: Coast-to-Coast and George Noory!




HOMEOPATHIC TRAGEDIES REVISITED

Reader and friend Barbara Mervine writes:

I was reading Monica Dickens autobiography "An Open Book" – she was the great-granddaughter of Charles Dickens. She writes about being a nurse in wartime Britain, assigned to a Homeopathic hospital:

To most of the wartime nurses, homeopathy was mysterious witchcraft. There was not time for us to be thoroughly instructed in the purpose of the harmless-looking little pills we were told to give, and so sometimes we either did not give them, or gave them wrong.

Because of the war, the hospital had changed from being specialized to doing general work. There was a normal amount of surgery, and most of the staff were not homeopaths. Some of them still were, however, and this led to some confusion of treatments. One patient coming in with a lump on her breast would have a biopsy and perhaps an immediate mastectomy. Another, with a homeopathic doctor, might choose to try the little pills until the cancer had spread and the mastectomy had to be radical.

Later she talks about another patient:

I can still see that man with pneumonia on the ground floor ward. He was an author, a man as likeable as the books he wrote about the English countryside. The sulfonamides were being used effectively against pneumonia, but the patient and his doctor, a disciple of the famous homeopath who treated King George V, persevered with minute doses of the pneumococcus. Much too late they agreed, under pressure, to try sulfadiazine. He was dying anyway, so of course the dear man died, and his doctor said, “There you are, you see, the sulfa drugs don’t work.”

It seems homeopathy has been not working for a long time. But when I read this it was quite sad to think that there were (ARE?) homeopathic hospitals.

Yes, there are hundreds of such hospitals still operating all over the world, Barbara, and since the “art” of homeopathy was established here in the USA well before the Federal Drug Administration existed, that notion is “grandfathered” into place, and is immune to FDA interference – ridiculous as that sounds. I’ve pointed out that marijuana, opium, and heroin were also here before the FDA, but they don’t enjoy that privilege, do they?

The reference by Ms. Dickens to the administration of “minute doses of the pneumococcus” is incorrect, however. First, homeopathic dilutions are so large, that none of the original substance reaches the patient, Avogadro’s Limit having been reached and passed, and this sounds as if Ms. Dickens may have been – understandably – confused by the reference, which might have been to the sulfa compound, not to the bacterium. There was possibly a mixup here between homeopathy and the legitimate process of invoking immunization by attenuated bacterial matter…

Reader Brian Miller sent me this observation made by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes during his valedictory address delivered to the Graduating Class of the Bellevue Hospital College, March 2, 1871:

Some of you will probably be more or less troubled by that parody of medieval theology which finds its dogma in the doctrine of homeopathy, its miracle of transubstantiation in the mystery of its dilutions, its church in the people who have mistaken their century, and its priests in those who have mistaken their calling.

If this man could recognize such quackery 137 years ago, why is it so difficult to discern today…?




ACCEPT THE GOOD PART

Reader Peter Brannen writes:

I happened to be watching AMC [the American Movie Classics channel], and up popped a commercial for the "Cancer Treatment Centers of America." It began with a testimonial from a woman who claimed (to paraphrase) "the hospital sent her home to die." Then came the CTCA, to take care of her cancer. The ad then listed their treatments, starting with the usual – surgery, chemo, radiation – but then got into "holistic" and "mind-body." Now, I wouldn't normally worry about woo-ads, as they're all over the place, anyway, but this was on a major network (AMC) and really looked legitimate right up until the end, which I think makes this a particularly insidious ad, and something you might be interested in looking into.

I must disagree with Peter here, to some extent. The CTCA website is found at: www.cancercenter.com – read part of what they state there:

We offer truly integrative cancer treatment that combines the best conventional treatment with scientifically based alternative and complementary therapies. Several complementary treatments are available, including the following:

At CTCA, qualified naturopathic practitioners will assist your physicians and recommend natural approaches to safely support your whole body, strengthen your immune system and boost your energy. The mission of these practitioners is to best equip you with the natural tools necessary to help you fight the cancer. Our naturopathic practitioners constantly communicate with your other care team members, such as surgeons, medical and radiation oncologists, nurses, nutritionists and physical therapists, to make sure the naturopathic plan they recommend is synchronized with every other facet of your treatment.

Nutritional Support: Each patient at CTCA receives a nutritional assessment and an individualized meal plan designed to prevent malnutrition, reduce side effects of treatment and enhance his or her well-being. Registered nutritionists work closely with you and your oncologists and naturopathic practitioners to make sure that the food you eat complements your cancer treatment. Recommended diets include foods proven to reduce the side effects of certain treatments.

Mind-Body Medicine: Our mind-body medicine program (Psychoneuroimmunology, or PNI) helps you connect with your inner strength and maintain or regain a sense of hope and control over your situation.

This is a carefully-crafted statement, I think you’ll agree, and I can’t really argue with it. If it instills further confidence in the patient, which can lead to improved willingness to accept legitimate, proven, treatments, it is probably useful – given the emphasis that is placed on “the best conventional treatment with scientifically based alternative and complementary therapies,” as specified above. CTCA recognizes the need for proper nutrition that agrees with and works with the therapies offered, and specifies that the alternative team members must defer to conventional methods, and that satisfies me.

I’m willing to accept a certain amount of woo-woo if it has a positive effect, particularly as well-controlled and monitored as this seems to be. Patients who might otherwise choose to ignore proper methods of treatment and embrace only “alternative” forms, just might be satisfied with the CTCA approach, and might thereby survive.




THE GRUBBIES ATTACK!

[Admin]: A few added comments on this item are needed. The article which is mentioned is roughly 4,000 words not 19,000, as was previously stated. The author of said article is Greg from the dailygrail.com. Although Randi does properly quote Auerbach, it is important to note that he is not implying that Auerbach authored The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge.

Sigh. As we confidently predicted, the grubbies are chortling over the announced impending termination of the JREF prize offer. At tinyurl.com/2tbdsk you’ll find a 4,000-word tirade that I’ll spare you, but here’s my succinct response to just the first ten of the multiple canards they promote. First, they begin with a perfectly correct summation of the situation, then slide downhill into innuendo, ad hominem, and blatantly false attacks. Here’s that summation:

For ten years, the modern skeptical movement has wielded a cudgel against claims of the paranormal: the James Randi Million Dollar Challenge. In many debates over the possibility of psi abilities, the Challenge provides a final word for one side..."has so-and-so applied for the Challenge?" The financial reward offered by the James Randi Educational Foundation is seen by many skeptics as providing an irresistible motivation for anybody with paranormal ability – after all, if someone could genuinely exhibit such powers, surely they would step forward to take the million?

Couldn’t have said it better, myself! Then they start to recite the canards, the first ten of which I’ll list here, ten for all of which the evidence has been featured on SWIFT:

1. “…none of the “big fish” – medium John Edward, spoon-bender Uri Geller, psychic Sylvia Browne – have applied [for the JREF prize]”

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Wrong. Though forced into it on international TV, Browne accepted, then failed to follow through because, she said, she didn’t know how to reach me… Duh. She talks to the dead, but she can’t reach me? I’m alive, I’m in the telephone book, and Google alone has 762,000 references to me, of which 2,130 have my phone number, address, e-mail, and fax number, yet Sylvia couldn’t reach me…?

2. “Loyd Auerbach… [says] that the suggestion that ending the Challenge after 10 years supports any statement that psi does not exist or someone would have won the challenge, is absurd on many levels.”

Agreed, quite absurd. And we have never said nor even suggested that statement. Loyd invented that, all by himself…

3. Auerbach again: “The procedures for the Challenge included several hurdles in favor of, and multiple ‘outs’ for Randi and the JREF that any discerning individual capable of any kind of extraordinary human performance would think twice about (and here I'm not just referring to psychics and the like).”

We have asked for examples of these “outs” and have been given the following:

4. Auerbach: “First, and perhaps the most important, is the effect size required to win the challenge.”

Nonsense. However, in responding to this objection, I will point out that the applicant invests nothing, has nothing to lose, and should be able to beat the odds in the same way that any person could – unless Auerbach is appealing to the “special exemption” angle in which it is claimed that psychics must be given huge advantages because their talents are so undependable, erratic, and inconsistent – one of the ludicrous appeals made by this “science,” and one not enjoyed by any other science.

In any case, here comes an announcement, a drastic change in the rules. My abysmal ignorance of statistics requires that I frequently appeal to statistician Chip Denman of the University of Maryland for frequently sobering advice and counsel. Having just received some of that wisdom, I’m announcing a further refinement – and generous it is! – to the JREF million-dollar challenge. These changes will go up on the rules page as soon as we can get around to it… Says Mr. Denman:

It is certainly true that medical and social sciences traditionally use a 5% rule [to determine significance], but that's a matter of tradition in areas of inquiry where the emphasis is on finding possible effects that will be studied in more detail by future research. These scientists are willing to risk getting a false positive 1 out of every 20 times, rather than missing a potential lead. And in many areas such as physics or engineering, a 5% rule would never, ever suffice! Would anyone really tolerate a 5% chance that the plane will crash or the bridge will collapse?

Setting the bar for significance is "merely" a matter of deciding how risk-tolerant you're willing to be. I believe that it is entirely sensible to set a high bar for the $1M prize. Maybe one out of a million is a bit extreme, but it's your money and your risk.

On the other hand, you might consider a lower bar for the preliminary test and still protect yourself overall. For instance, you could use .01 (which is frequently seen in the scientific and statistical literature) for the preliminary, and a 1 out of 100,000 rule for the final test – and taken together, you'd know there was only a one-in-a-million shot that someone could get lucky on both.

That’s what we’ll do. We’ll choose the “other hand.” So, as of now, we will require that applicants beat a one-in-one-hundred chance of success – by dumb luck or co-incidence – for the preliminary test, and then a one-in-one-hundred-thousand chance in the formal test – a point that has not yet been reached in the past ten years of our trying…

This simplifies the JREF Challenge, it makes it more attractive, and it just may earn some attention…

5. Auerbach, still: “…and if you don’t agree to terms [for the test], your application is rejected.

Again, nonsense. We have NEVER had an applicant fail to come to agreement with us when terms were negotiated, and every one of those applicants simply failed and did not re-apply – which was their stated right. The only applicants who were ever rejected were those who – from the very first – made ridiculous claims that could not in any way be accepted, claims that showed that they were delusional or joking; an example is the man who claimed he was God, and that I was usurping his powers with the conjuring tricks I do. Even Loyd Auerbach might consider that ineligible. Or maybe not…

6. The famous “Ganzfeld” tests are cited by Auerbach as examples of phenomena that could not be tested because of the amount of time and data required. Since no one has ever submitted this claim to us for testing, we’ve never had to handle it. Had that occurred, we would have negotiated reasonable terms, of course.

7. Still with Auerbach: “…applicants must first pass a 'preliminary test,' before they are allowed to progress to the actual 'formal' test which pays the million dollars. So an applicant must first show positive results in a preliminary test (yielding results against chance of at least 1000 to 1) then once through to the next stage they would then have to show positive results against much higher odds to claim the prize (by all reports, at odds of around 1 million to 1).

Correct, though with the modifications just described above in point #4. What Auerbach purposely fails to understand – in order to have an argument – is that a pole-vaulter should be able to pole-vault, a cook should be able to cook, and a psychic should be able to do what he/she claims, to better than 1/100 odds. I claim that I’m a car driver. I have driven my car to and from work about 7,000 times since the JREF opened. I have and always have had a perfect driving record – for all my driving days since I first got my license, not just for driving to work – and so I can claim to be an automobile driver. I’ve beaten the odds – by far – for my own claim, already…!

8. Auerbach: “Failure in either test means no cash prize, and a fail beside their name. In many respects it would be like telling a professional golfer to shoot 63 around Augusta National, then come back and shoot 59, to prove that he can play golf.”

The golf analogy escapes me, but my understanding of the game is that the player should be able to achieve a certain rate of success, or he/she would be classified as a “duffer.” So far, “psychics” have attained and firmly held the duffer position. Loyd, with your vast experience of the woo-woo world and its wonderful performers, find us a psychic who can actually perform, and split the prize with him/her!

9. Says Auerbach: “Dr. Michael Sudduth of San Francisco State University also pointed out to me a wonderful irony in one of the rules. Challenge rule #3 states: ‘We have no interest in theories nor explanations of how the claimed powers might work.’ As Sudduth puts it: ‘Curiously, Randi's challenge… makes little sense unless we assume that psi is the sort of thing that, if genuine, can be produced on demand, or at least is likely to manifest itself in some perspicuous manner under the conditions specified by the challenge.”

Correct! We are only concerned with performance. But those “conditions specified by the challenge” would be up to you, Loyd. They would be designed and built into the protocol – by you. That’s what the Challenge is about! When my cardiac surgeon sets about opening my chest, I have zero interest in theories, only in results. Is that too difficult a concept? You see, the man operating on me is a surgeon. He produces results on demand, with an expected rate of success, the same way that “psychics” all over the world say they can produce their results. Uri Geller has never failed on any show – except the one in which I participated – so he’s an “on-demand” performer.

10. Auerbach: “As a consequence, you might well say ‘no wonder no serious researcher has applied for the Challenge.’ Interestingly, this is not the case. Dr. Dick Bierman, who has a PhD in physics, informed me that he did in fact approach James Randi about the Million Dollar Challenge in late 1998.”

Yes, I recall that we did exchange correspondence, though I have nothing in my files from around that date. However, we’re dealing here solely with the JREF million-dollar challenge, and Dr. Bierman is not one of those who applied for that prize; his name appears in none of the application files. And, I have to wonder why Dr. Bierman did not press me to pursue the matter, since he reports that it seems to have simply vanished. We’ve had many of such disappearances, in which apparently interested persons, scientists among them such as Dr. Wayne E. Carr – also a PhD, so we know he’s a real scientist – who negotiated with us literally for years before backing out. His file is huge, and I gave up counting the pages so I could report for this commentary, when I reached 120. My correspondence with Dr. Bierman, who was in Amsterdam, appears to have terminated in 1983 when he informed me, though not in reference to the million-dollar challenge:

Bet or challenge, I am afraid that for the moment there will be nothing. Through personal circumstances the present subject will not be able to enter the formal procedure so that it seems rather a waste of time to proceed.

As we might expect, the strange but ever-vigilant Australian lawyer named Zammit (rhymes with “Dammit!”) jumped into the action started by the other grubbies. He sent e-mail in all directions demanding that I verify the existence of the million-dollar prize, though he was of course well aware that legal validation was available to any inquirer by postal mail, a phone call, a fax, or via e-mail, but he saw a spotlight, and jumped in. The somewhat delusional Zammit has an idea that my name is something else, and he obviously believes he has stumbled – literally – on another insidious secret I’m hiding… With huge line-gaps and spaces minimized, here’s what we received:

THIRD NOTICE of CHALLENGE: to Zwinge Randi: do what Victor Zammit did: formally - make out a legal written statement on oath (subject to up to seven years in prison if caught lying - perjury): that you, Zwinge do in fact have the one million dollars in currency cash or it’s confirmed equivalent in equity - you claim you have regarding your alleged challenge. A proviso should be that any applicant will have the automatic right to cite this very important document. If Zwinge does not have the million dollars, he MUST withdraw the challenge - many claim his challenge is the most fraudulent challenge in human history. Have the courage? Have the dough? Have the stomach for this challenge?

(From Victor Zammit’s own ONE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE www.victorzammit.com ) first put on the Net Friday 25th January 08)

Subject: How we stopped Randi's MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE

And for all you other FRAUDS, watch carefully the consequences of Randi’s *great idea*…..

Please visit: centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/3283/ to see how we stopped James Randi's Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge For over 40 years Randi has had total control over who and how the testing was conducted, yet despite all this he has terminated the challenge. The ONLY REASON why the challenge was stopped is because he lost and refused to pay. Apparently, Randi likes to breaks the rules when it serves him: randi.org/joom/content/view/40/32/

"14. This prize will continue to be offered until it is awarded. Upon the death of James Randi, the administration of the prize will pass into other hands, and it is intended that it continue in force."

Great force.....it's over......

where is my MILLION DOLLARS, you LITTLE NO-NAME FRAUD

I immediately e-mailed Zammit a response, to save him from apoplexy or worse:

From: James Randi [mailto:randi@randi.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2008 2:03 AM
To: 'Victor J Zammit'
Subject: RE: How we stopped Randi's MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE
Importance: High

February 25th, 2008, at 10;03 hr. An open message to the obviously misinformed and rather desperate Mr. Zammit:

(1) My name is not “Zwinge Randi,” and it never has been. My name is James Randi, legally and properly. You seem to think that you are privy to some deep, dark, secret information about me that is being concealed; in this, as in so many other delusions you exhibit, you are wrong.

(2) Please – summoning up your highly expert legal abilities – draft a formal statement for me to sign, clearly stating that the million-dollar prize exists, is specifically held for that purpose, and exists as immediately-negotiable bonds which can be converted to cash by anyone to whom it is awarded. Upon receipt of that document, I will sign it and have it notarized (in your vast experience, you may be familiar with this legal procedure?) and I will both mail you a copy by post and exhibit it as a scanned document on the JREF web page, within 24 hours. I agree to risk the possible seven years imprisonment, and I volunteer to travel to Australia if and when I am charged and convicted of fraud in this respect.

(3) I generously agree that “any applicant will have the automatic right to cite” this document, and to receive a copy of it by postal mail, if so desired.

(4) In response to your inquiry, yes, I am able to summon up the “courage” and the “stomach” that you require, Mr. Zammit. Are you similarly able? We all await your response with great interest…!

Promptly, Victor Zammit responded, though I suspect that this is a standard computer-generated answer:

Thank you for your email. I will be replying to your email on my return to the office on Friday this week. Victor Zammit

We'll see...

I really feel that I’ve spent far too much time now refuting the claims made in “The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge.” The fact that this celebration of the upcoming closing of the challenge is bringing such joy to the woo-woo community, proves that the challenge offered an insurmountable impediment to the wonder-workers out there. They will all heave a mighty sigh of relief when March 7th, 2010, rolls around, and then will begin wailing that they weren’t given their chance to carry off the prize money…




DEFENDED

Reader Dale A. Wood was angry at the recent tirade (referenced above) that appeared all over the Internet, and commented:

I don't believe that any of the contents at the “Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge” site are of any importance, and that it doesn't deserve to be distributed at all. Here are just a couple of examples of unfounded and supercilious statements in it:

1) "In the case of parapsychological research, however, where effect size is often small (though apparently robust)".

That statement of "though apparently robust" is arrantly without any foundation. As a matter of fact, on a multitude of occasions, apparent psychic effects have been demonstrated – only to fail to be repeated on further trials. Lots of people simply cannot understand that chance events, or clusters of events, happen all the time, but when they cannot be repeated, they don't mean anything.

2) Several people in the article say that they "Don't trust Mr. James Randi."

I reply, "So?" If you have a real effect, the ultimate test is to prove it in front of someone whom you don't trust. That might be worth something. "Proving" anything at all, but only in front of someone who you trust, is just a slackers way out. It reeks of only "proving" things in front of gullible people.

3) If someone claims to "prove" to me that 2 + 3 = 6, that is going to take one whale of a lot of evidence. As Dr. Carl Sagan said on plenty of occasions, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Why can't people get that through their skulls?

Dale, as you know, we don’t allow any attitudes, biases, or predilections to enter into any examination of paranormal claims – which is why we require that protocols are designed to be double-blind, so that such elements cannot be present. Whether or not I’m trusted, is not a factor, because “trust” is designed out of the system. Thus, this caveat by the grubbies, is moot…

I will add, briefly, that Suitbert Ertel – who is featured in the tirade – was thoroughly tested for the JREF prize back in 2004, in Germany. He failed, as did all the others who were tested. The sloppy conditions that Ertel had in place for his own “controlled” test were such that I was easily able to accurately predict which numbered ping-pong ball I was about to draw from the target-randomizer-bag that he had constructed. His lack of security was appalling. But I see here no report of the incompetent protocol conducted and designed by this man…




PRIZE WINNER?

radin

In a recent “Faith Column” of The New Statesman, UK, a man named Kenneth Eckersley advertised that he’s

…active in the Church of Scientology, and a former Magistrate and Justice of the Peace.”

This chap makes two claims that certainly can be examined, and that are very eligible for the JREF million-dollar prize. He wrote:

…in his twenties, my brother was able to rid himself of 19 years of asthma through Dianetics procedures. My first wife, after several years of non-conception, was diagnosed as totally incapable of bearing children, yet later gave birth to our two beautiful girls as a direct result of Scientology spiritual counseling.

Surely these are miracles? The problem I see, however, is that (a) the cessation of asthma in the brother will not be able to be proven to be due to Dianetics, and (b) somehow there will be no medical records in existence showing that Mrs. Eckersley was “totally incapable of bearing children” prior to receiving counseling from the Church…




NORWEGIAN NUTTERY

Reader Peter Brannen writes:

Although Norway is a very secular society, some folks always seem to manage to extract funds from ignorant bureaucrats. Mr. Bjorn Ostmo, of "Bjorn's Healing" recently got a 620-dollar funding from his local municipality Tromsoe, in order to help him establish his website.

Here is Bjorn's Healing's business idea: He claims to be able to drive ghosts from haunted houses and buildings, as well as providing general healing of people. His preferred method is what he calls "distant healing," and includes the help of archangels. You have to send him a photo of your body. No, not a digital one but a paper photo. His reason for this is:

On a paper photo there are no placebo effects. The distant healing works always, due to an energy field around the earth.

Wow, what science! I wonder if he’ll make my neighbor's cat stop howling at night if I send him a photo of the whole cat. Among the world's charlatans, this guy is small fry. So is the amount of money contributed from the Tromsoe municipality. However, the fact that an official body hands out money for this scam should not be ignored. Asked why they did this, the spokesman for the municipality, Mr. Yngve Voktor, says that they want to treat all applicants on an equal basis!

Strangely enough, no one here seems to bother to question why taxpayers money is being dished out for such nonsense. No large newspaper has followed up. I guess people are used to stupidity from the bureaucracy, but it makes me feel helpless when it comes to the general public's lack of awareness regarding this type of scams.




IN CLOSING…

We’ve just been contacted by “Captain Disillusion,” obviously a real super-hero who is very much in tune with the JREF and how we think. I’ll just send you to www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh80XIhRsSY for a sample of this guy’s wonderful work. We’re in contact, and we’ll be getting back to you on what the Captain and I will be doing in the very near future. The Captain’s definitely our kinda guy…!

After you recover from that, go to tinyurl.com/3bhc6m for an important observation on a school science fair, read the posting, then read the comments that follow – which are very revealing of the attitude and terror that fundamentalists have of reality… For an article that tells you why I so value my association with Martin Gardner, go to tinyurl.com/34xhuh.

radin

Reader Dale A. Wood has forwarded me a stunning photo, to be seen here. I ask you to go to Google and look up the facts about the Crab Nebula, then look again at the photo and realize what you’re seeing. Just to tease you: light travels at about 186,000 miles per second. That puts the diameter of the image you’re seeing in this photo, at about 65,000,000,000,000 miles. And it’s about 38,000,000,000,000,000 miles – 6,500 light-years – away from Earth. That means you’re looking at a photo that is not of the Crab Nebula as it is today, but as it was in the year 4500 B.P.! That has to make you think…

Ain’t science – and reality – grand…?


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written by ChthonicTonic, February 29, 2008
I've been wanted to share the following for a while: whenever I read about homeopathy, I can't help but think of the Scoville scale. It was established to rate the heat of peppers. The ratings on the scale relate to how many parts water (or surgar water, in some cases) the essence of a pepper had to be dissolved in until it produced no effect on the palette of the tester. This is the opposite principle of homeopathy (and not just in the sense that its results can be recreated).
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written by PeterHansen, February 29, 2008
Dear Amazing Randi:
Re: CTCA acceptance
Say it ain't so!! Have you become a proponent of naturopathy, homeopathy if it is used in conjunction with conventional therapy? Because the ignorant patients "want it" then it is ok and given the same level of credibility as conventional medicine?

I consider the statement "CTCA, qualified naturopathic practitioners " to be an oxymoron.

Peter
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written by Bertil Wennergren, February 29, 2008
"The reference by Ms. Dickens to the administration of 'minute doses of the pneumococcus' is incorrect, however. First, homeopathic dilutions are so large, that none of the original substance reaches the patient, Avogadro’s Limit having been reached and passed, and this sounds as if Ms. Dickens may have been – understandably – confused by the reference, which might have been to the sulfa compound, not to the bacterium. There was possibly a mixup here between homeopathy and the legitimate process of invoking immunization by attenuated bacterial matter…"

I think that you're making the mistake of confusing homeopathic theories with homepathic practice. I have in my hand a bottle of "Traumeel T Gel" which claims to contain a homeopathic substance. It's even a "registered homeopathic drug" (registered in Germany where, as you know, homeopathy is running rampant). The bottle has a nice table of contents, where we however find things like "Calendula officinalis 0.045g", "Echinacea 0.015g", "Chamomilla recutita 0.015g" etc. Those are obviously real ingredients in minute doses, and they are obviously not true to homeopathic doctrine. Who knows, they might even do something...

I think there is lots of purported homepathic practice out there that is not really homeopathic, mixing in various herbal stuff (with actual herbs in them) and some other bits and pieces that have actual physical existance.

The report of the homepathic hospital in London does not give the impression that homeopathic rules were very strictly imposed there, quite the opposite, I'd say. So I would not be surprised if it turned out that someone actually administrated minute doses of the pneumococcus, believing or not believing that that was a kind of homeopathic treatment.

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written by Realitysage, February 29, 2008
About "Hot air a-Plenty"--People worldwide for centuries have cried the mantra of "blame the Jews" for a number of alleged reasons-from the death of Jesus, the spread of communism, the entertainment industry, and of course; control of the banks and media. It's a logical fallacy to blame an entire group for the actions of a smallish percentage just because they might share a cultural commonality-and that includes the Muslim/Jihadist connection. While 7 to 10 percent of Islam may adhere to radical Sharia law, that leaves an awful lot who don't.
Another paranoid "Blame the Zionist" white separatist named Frank Welter who says he has a M.A. in English and is a certified librarian, can be found with his delusional ramblings here: http://jewwatch.com
He claims his organization is a "loving one" but his videos were banned from Youtube for their content. And that's saying a lot considering all the junk they allow over there. BTW, by using guilt by association logic, one might condemn the entire human race because so many of us are mad. (sarcasm off)
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written by Tom S. Fox, February 29, 2008
I am currently working on a subtitled version of the "Welt der Wunder" show and will upload it on YouTube soon.
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written by Cuddles, February 29, 2008
Re: Howe Numb Nory, Christopher Long says "Oh, really? I didn't know you could do a light amplitude or spectrum analysis of digitized images". I hate to break it to him, but I doubt there's a single amplitude or spectral analysis in the entire world which isn't done on a digital image. In fact, it's virtually impossible to do it any other way. It's all very well criticising woo, but you have to watch out for slipping into psuedoscience yourself.

Cuddles.
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written by Greg, February 29, 2008
Please note: Loyd Auerbach was not the author of "The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge", I was. Any criticism should be directed at me, not Auerbach. Hopefully, Randi can correct this error, as his responses to Loyd Auerbach are misdirected.

Further the article is not 19,000 words (closer to 4000 words), and it certainly isn't a "tirade". Hopefully I'm not a "grubby" either, but who am I to argue with Randi...

Kind regards,
Greg
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written by julianrod, February 29, 2008
Thank you Mr. Tom S. Fox!
I'm highly anxious about this.
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written by Michael C, February 29, 2008
I saw and enjoyed the "Welt der Wunder" show on Uri Geller, but was unable to connect to http://www.wdwip.tv/ to see the followup, which promised to show more tricks, including the floating table trick. Are you planning to post a video of this?
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written by Tom S. Fox, February 29, 2008
No problem.
I just hope I get the grammar and everything right.
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written by John H, February 29, 2008
Greg - given that you've stated that you were the author of the 'The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge', how about responding to Randi's criticisms of the piece?

I for one am convinced that he prize does indeed exist and the protocol agreement process is the only fair way to start the engagement. I also think that if you 'talk the talk' ("I've got telekinetic powers!") you should be able to 'walk the walk' ("I'm making Randi levitate and do somersaults right now!"), without complaining that the abilities are too subtle or unpredictable to be tested...
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written by Greg, February 29, 2008
John H. wrote:

"Greg - given that you've stated that you were the author of the 'The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge', how about responding to Randi's criticisms of the piece?"

Hi John,

I have clarified a few issues as a post-script to the original article (at the end, before the comments start). Other than that, it will soon turn into a game of "he said, she said", so it's probably best to leave it at that - both Randi and I have offered our opinions . If you have any specific questions, I'll be happy to answer them to the best of my ability though.

Overall, its great that Randi responded to the main criticism - which was that the odds of a million to one marginalised the challenge to the point of being irrelevant. The new odds are still quite steep, although Dr Dick Bierman emailed me to say he finds it quite inviting (though still requiring a very long experiment) - so perhaps we'll see an application at some stage.

As always, I have issues with Randi's approach and wording. The article is hardly a "tirade"...especially when one considers what Randi is capable of in his newsletter. I raise further issues in my postscript. But I knew what to expect when I wrote the article - it's just a shame that the JREF didn't respond to my initial queries, rather than belittling the article after the fact. (I received one minor response, which wasn't overly helpful).

John wrote:

"I for one am convinced that the prize does indeed exist and the protocol agreement process is the only fair way to start the engagement."

I completely agree, the prize does exist. That was not my argument at all.

And of course a protocol is necessary, I don't dispute that either. Further, for the money offered, Randi is entitled to ask for high odds - I'm not arguing against that. Ironically though, the higher money/odds ratio works against the prize, because it sets the bar too high for anybody to attain. The large amount of money is good for arguments about people not accepting despite a huge incentive, but the accompanying high odds demolish any scientific basis for the Challenge.

John wrote:

"I also think that if you 'talk the talk' ("I've got telekinetic powers!") you should be able to 'walk the walk' ("I'm making Randi levitate and do somersaults right now!"), without complaining that the abilities are too subtle or unpredictable to be tested..."

Again, if someone goes around saying they can perform a trick like levitation *on demand*, then Randi has every right to challenge them. The argument against many other paranormal claims is different though. Two separate examples: alleged psi effects such as presentiment, and mediumship, in which inane blather is often mixed with seemingly impossible one-off hits...not exactly conducive to numerical scoring though (how do you define a 'difficulty' rating for a hit?).

When the MDC is used to directly challenge people who claim to have powers on demand, it is a valid tool. The "myth" which I discuss in the article is that the MDC shows that there are no paranormal abilities.

Hope this clarifies things.

Kind regards,
Greg
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written by botherer, February 29, 2008
Tom - you are a hero of the modern world.

Will you be posting here to announce when it's ready?

Ooh,could you give us a link to your YouTube homepage?

Many thanks,
John W
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written by Tom S. Fox, February 29, 2008
First of all, thank you!
But please just don’t expect something like an excellent translation or something.

And yes, I was going to announce it here when it is ready and post the link.

In fact, I am uploading the first part in this very moment.

Unfortunaly, translating these videos is more exhausting and time-consuming than I was expecting, so you will have to wait a while for the other parts.
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written by Careyp74, February 29, 2008
"Ms. Tshabalala-Msimang has faced criticism in the past for suggesting garlic and vegetables be used to combat the spread of HIV."

"And as a direct result of that suggestion, the index of HIV-related deaths and infection are higher in that country than anywhere else"

Watch yourself. This is the type of unfounded statement that starts fights and distracts from the important points of the article. Non-skeptics will not hear what you are saying when you give them something to jump on. There is no study that shows a direct correlation between the two occurances. If I remember correctly, South Africa was the leader in HIV infections way before Tshabalala-Msimang stepped in as Deputy Minister in 1996, certainly before 1999, when she was able to take full reign over Operation Genocide.
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written by jbspry, February 29, 2008
Can someone tell me what a "robust" parapsychological phenomonon is? How exactly does a message from Grandma in the afterlife telling us she's happy display robustness? My guess is that anything that impresses the gullible with its dramatic effect would qualify as "robust".
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written by rwpikul, February 29, 2008
Actually, running into a major at a US Navy base isn't that strange. It just means that the person is a Marine.
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written by Tom S. Fox, February 29, 2008
Alright, the first subtitled video is up!
You can find it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBF43JTLlMI

[ADMIN]
This is perfect. I will add the subtitles to the full resolution video we have of the show here. If anyone might want this on DVD email me rich@randi.org.
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written by Tom S. Fox, February 29, 2008
Ooh, thank you!
You might want to have the subtitles checked, though.
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written by Die Anyway, February 29, 2008
The tinyurl in "In Closing" that was supposed to take me to something about a science fair did not do so. Instead it linked to to an earlier SWIFT. The only relationship I could see was that the earlier SWIFT also contained an article about Dean Radin.

As for the "aliens taking cells from dead cow orifices"... I am continually amazed (and discouraged) by people who believe this sort of thing. At the very least, it does not pass the "reasonable" test. Any alien society capable of the technology to reach our world would not need to kill cows and extract cells from cuts around their anus. A few cells adhering to a plucked hair would give them the entire cow genome and they would never need to zap another cow. It is notable that the believers in alien visits are willing to ascribe to the aliens an extremely advanced transportation capability but then relegate them to 19th century medical practices.

As for the "Accept the Good Part", I agree with Mr. Randi that there is nothing wrong with using naturopathy the way it is written in the excerpts we are given. Many Americans (and I presume many people around the world) do not eat the healthiest of diets. A few more fruits, vegetables, vitamins and minerals will probably do them a lot of good. The problem that I see is the old "slippery slope". Having a dietician or nutritionist work with the patient is the way they make it sound but we know from our reading that naturopaths and holistic practioners do not limit themselves to nutrition science.

Eat well, stay fit, Die Anyway.
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written by John H, February 29, 2008
Greg - thanks for the reply.

To focus in on your final points:

"Two separate examples: alleged psi effects such as presentiment, and mediumship, in which inane blather is often mixed with seemingly impossible one-off hits...not exactly conducive to numerical scoring though (how do you define a 'difficulty' rating for a hit?)."

Well, the way I see it, if the 'one-off hits' are essentially unpredictable (and therefore look exactly like random noise in a series of results) then there would never be any way of detecting the alleged ability of the claimant. But equally they would never be able to use it in any useful way - in the example of a predictive ability, their predictive powers would be no better than someone randomly guessing...

"When the MDC is used to directly challenge people who claim to have powers on demand, it is a valid tool. The "myth" which I discuss in the article is that the MDC shows that there are no paranormal abilities."

Sure - but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the 'skeptics' out there know that you can't prove a negative. With respect, this is a somewhat old and tired anti-skeptic line, that is effectively a dead-end argument.

In that sense does this "myth" really exist at all, except in the minds of the particular groups that end up on the receiving end of Randi's challenge?

All the best,

John.
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written by Careyp74, February 29, 2008
Die Anyway.......
You never know what those aliens are up to. Think of this analogy:
two teenage pranksters drive a truck into a primitive tribe's region and vandelize their shrine. Later, when the only witness describes what he saw to the chief, it is dismissed because, afterall, if any god like creatures with the technology to move around in big metal beasts actually existed, they would not need to do such destruction to their shrine.
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written by Chris C., February 29, 2008
Greg:

"Odds of a million to one are quite steep..." No they're not, and although Randi has generously adjusted the terms of his challenge I have no idea how you expect to be taken seriously when you make such nonsense. The success rate that must be met to claim the prize is agreed to by the claimant beforehand. If I say I'm clairvoyant, and can always, say, reproduce a secretly made drawing when demonstrating my powers in public, why should I balk at having to meet, say, a 75% success rate under controlled conditions regardless of the odds according to pure chance? If I can see it, I can see it, period. Unless, of course, it's trickery and I can't really do it.

I'm not sure what the point of the George Noory piece was. That sounds like a fairly typical show for him. I used to listen to him regularly just for the entertainment of it, but he's gotten boring and I haven't heard his show for many months now. It doesn't sound like he's changed any. Art Bell always had a better mix, and would occasionally get a real scientist on to boot, or at least he did more often than Noory does. Linda Moulton Howe appears about weekly to share her latest conspiracy theories, so not even that was remarkable.

To Noory's credit, he once had Sylvia Browne on regularly too, and even called her a friend -- but not since the Sago Mine fiasco. I happened to be listening that night. Although the tragedy of it eclipsed the schadenfreude I'd have otherwise enjoyed, it was an astonishing performance. She actually carried on as if 1) Neither George nor his audience could recall what she'd said just minutes before; and 2) Her performance wasn't recorded. I really expected her to have a better cover than that. She was shockingly amateur.
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written by Perseus, February 29, 2008
I recall seeing this Hufschmid fellow on Penn and Teller's Bulls#it, the conspiracy theory episode. Penn was fantastically rude regarding this guy--even for Penn. It was great. So Hufschmid's had his airtime already, but not to his advantage.
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written by Wee, February 29, 2008
From Greg:

"Two separate examples: alleged psi effects such as presentiment, and mediumship, in which inane blather is often mixed with seemingly impossible one-off hits...not exactly conducive to numerical scoring though (how do you define a 'difficulty' rating for a hit?)."

Lots of inane blather surrounding a single hit does not, in fact, constitute a psychic power any more than rolling a die and predicting one out of every six hits.
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written by Greg, February 29, 2008
Wee: your comparison is weak. We all know there is a 6 on a die, and that after enough rolls we will eventually be right. That is very different to a medium saying something like "your grandfather says that he gave you a wooden box, which had his shell collection inside which he gathered as a boy" (an example, not an actual case).

Certainly, there is a continuum here - certain "longshots" will be right after you say it enough times. But I have also seen "longshots" that can't be explained that way. Other reasons may be applicable (e.g. fraud/secret investigation), but I can't agree with that in regards to the cases I've witnessed.

Kind regards,
Greg
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written by John H, February 29, 2008
Greg - you said:

"But I have also seen "longshots" that can't be explained that way. Other reasons may be applicable (e.g. fraud/secret investigation), but I can't agree with that in regards to the cases I've witnessed."

The problem with this is that its an argument from incredulity. I'm sure you've seen things *you* can't explain, but that doesn't mean there isn't a explanation that doesn't require supernatural forces or powers. How exhaustive was your quest to find a non-paranormal explanation? This is where people like Randi can be greatly valuable - they come from a perspective based on misdirection and illusion.

I still contend that an 'ability' that is unpredictable / unrepeatable on demand is essentially an undetectable and useless ability to have - it might as well not exist at all (and probably doesn't). Also, who in your opinion actually believes the "MDC myth" in the terms that you outlined it (i.e. that it 'proves' there are paranormal abilities)?

One last question: The 'skeptics' and 'mainstream science' are clear that they would need evidence from quality experiments / trials to acknowledge the existence of 'paranormal' abilities. Based on your previous posts, I would say you believe in the 'paranormal' - so what would you need to see to change your position and decided that it does not exist?

All the best,

John.
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written by Greg, February 29, 2008
John wrote:

"The problem with this is that its an argument from incredulity. I'm sure you've seen things *you* can't explain, but that doesn't mean there isn't a explanation that doesn't require supernatural forces or powers."

I agree. But investigation is surely warranted. The above wasn't a statement of belief in the supernatural/paranormal, it was simply a response to Wee's weak analogy of a 6-sided die.

"I still contend that an 'ability' that is unpredictable / unrepeatable on demand is essentially an undetectable and useless ability to have - it might as well not exist at all (and probably doesn't)."

You could well be right. I'm one of those strange folk though, that see something strange, and want to know what's behind it. Regardless of its utility value.

On the other hand, if a medium can produce veridical information at times, through no 'normal' sensory mode, then that does pose important questions. Even if there is no utility value, it still has profound ramifications for the current paradigm of information transfer.

John wrote:

"One last question: The 'skeptics' and 'mainstream science' are clear that they would need evidence from quality experiments / trials to acknowledge the existence of 'paranormal' abilities. Based on your previous posts, I would say you believe in the 'paranormal' - so what would you need to see to change your position and decided that it does not exist?"

I don't "believe" in the paranormal. I have witnessed personal events, and read scientific research, which suggest there might be something to various areas currently designated "paranormal" (I also recognize there is a lot of 'bunkum' out there though). My main concern is that these 'leads' are investigated scientifically, skeptically, and openly. I think the million dollar challenge - in its current form - is not conducive to this attitude. Nor are some of Randi's "attacks" on researchers, such as last week's post on Dean Radin. Calling my article a "tirade" is more weak rhetoric - after all, Randi of all people should be encouraging skeptical analyses.

Kind regards,
Greg
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written by botherer, February 29, 2008
Tom - thank you so much for that. I really hope you'll have the time to create subtitles for the rest of the episode. Please know how much your hard work is appreciated.

John W
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written by Zardoz, March 01, 2008
Dear Mr. Randi,
probabilistic reasoning has it's pitfalls, even more so as some arguments seem "intuitively" correct, but in fact are not. This can happen to all of us - take for example your statement:

"I claim that I’m a car driver. I have driven my car to and from work about 7,000 times since the JREF opened. I have and always have had a perfect driving record – for all my driving days since I first got my license, not just for driving to work – and so I can claim to be an automobile driver. I’ve beaten the odds – by far – for my own claim, already…!"

This is strictly speaking a false conclusion. If for example a lottery winner claimed he had the ability to win lotteries - you would most certainly disagree. For a proper test of the hypothesis "ability to win lotteries" or "ability to drive without accidents" an ex-post perspective is insufficient. All sorts of "extraordinary" events happen - there are most certainly lottery winners every week and there are also "accident free" drivers - and there should be as millions of people engage in all sorts of activities. If these events indicate something "extraordinary" that is by no means proof of it. A thorough way to test these hypothesis is to set up an experiment - just like the jref challenge - and then let the claimant outperform chance. So, Mr. Randi if you are willing from now on to record your driving incidents let's say for the next 5 years - then we are talking.

I know that you and most people here, are well aware of the above - but it also shows how easy it is to fall into the same pitfalls that you are trying to fight.

regards,

Robin

P.S.: I personally regard the choosing of the term "sceptic" as somehow unfortunate. From a marketing perspective it has a somewhat negative connotation. Isn't there a better term? All that's really needed is a little bit of logical thinking to rule out delusions, self-deceit, fraud and pure chance - that's not being skeptical, that has more to do with being honest with oneself

P.S.S.: Sorry for my english - it's not my native language
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written by Tom S. Fox, March 01, 2008
Thank you, botherer.
I will try to get some work done today.
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written by John H, March 01, 2008
OK Greg - I understand the position you take on the need for proper analyses of supposed paranormal abilities:

"My main concern is that these 'leads' are investigated scientifically, skeptically, and openly. I think the million dollar challenge - in its current form - is not conducive to this attitude."

Where I think I would differ with your view is that I am personally very comfortable that the analyses have been done. If there were anything to any of these paranormal activities, 'mainstream' science would be all over it like a rash - they'd love nothing more than to see quality evidence of abilities that would change our fundamental understanding of the natural world.

This is where Randi's challenge comes in. I would think that 99.9% of the 'abilities' he tests have already been tested by scientists (dowsing, psychic powers etc.) - and I don't think most scientists have the time or inclination to 'flog a dead horse'. You could say that Randi's challenge provides another way for peopl