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SWIFT April 25, 2008 Print E-mail
Written by James Randi   
Thursday, 24 April 2008
Table of Contents
  1. Great News

  2. The Stupid Fuel Magnets Are Back

  3. More “Qi” Discussion

  4. A Matter of Some Sensitivity

  5. From An Unexpected Source

  6. Where’s that Damn Ark?

  7. The Opinion From Backstage

  8. Beyond Parody

  9. My UK Visit



GREAT NEWS

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We have a most welcome note from Dr. Bruce L. Flamm, MD, who for the last eight years has been battling the ridiculous report that prayers intoned for infertility patients in Korea could result in a 100% increase in pregnancy rates among the subjects. We’ve followed this for some time now – just do a search on SWIFT for “Flamm,” and you’ll see. Now, the Los Angeles Superior Court has – finally – thrown out the major defamation lawsuit that Korean fertility specialist Kwang Yul Cha filed against Dr. Flamm, a California physician who had published several articles questioning the validity of the report. That lawsuit, first filed in Los Angeles Superior Court in August 2007, was thrown out last November but then reinstated in January. Now it’s finally dismissed.

In 2001, a study was published in the Journal of Reproductive Medicine claiming that prayers from the USA, Canada, and Australia caused a 100% pregnancy rate in the subjects of those prayers – an incredible claim, indeed. Kwang Cha and his associates were widely reported in the news media, including on the USA ABC news program Good Morning America, who should have known better than to perpetuate this nonsense. The following year, the study’s credibility was undermined when one of the co-authors, Daniel Wirth, was arrested by the FBI and later pled guilty to fraud. Cha's other co-author, Columbia University’s Rogerio Lobo, later revealed that he had not participated in the research and he withdrew his name from the published findings.

As Dr. Flamm says:

[This] ruling is a victory for science and freedom of speech. Scientists must be allowed to question bizarre claims and correct errors. Cha's mysterious study was designed and allegedly conducted by a man who turned out to be a criminal with a 20-year history of fraud; a criminal who steals the identities of dead children to obtain bank loans and passports is not a trustworthy source of research data. Cha could have simply admitted this obvious fact, but instead he hired Beverly Hills lawyers to punish me for voicing my opinions.

We’re struck by the fact that the Journal of Reproductive Medicine – which capriciously published the original report, and then dug in its heels and refused to react to the very obvious fact that this was a spurious, quack, non-scientific action, refused to withdraw the article! This journal should be taken to task for flying in the face of medical science and so blatantly deceiving its readers.

Dr. Flamm is a partner physician with Kaiser Permanente and a Clinical Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of California. He has been the senior investigator on numerous medical studies and has written several books and book chapters. SWIFT congratulates Dr. Flamm on his definitive victory, and tosses him kudos for his valorous fight against spurious science!




THE STUPID FUEL MAGNETS ARE BACK

UK reader Victor Sellwood sends us to an item of interest:

You may be interested in a short correspondence between a Motoring journalist – “Honest John” – for the UK's Daily Telegraph, in his “agony column.” A manufacturer of magnets for car fuel systems tanks wrote in, making tenuous woo-woo claims for fuel efficiency and berating the journalist for putting the product down. He got short shrift from the journalist, as you can see. Perhaps you'd like to contact the journalist to offer the Million Dollar challenge to the letter writer?

Oh yes, Victor. Already done, see ahead… The complaint from the scammer:

There must be many who, like me, are losing faith in your self-styled honesty. Your flippant put-downs regarding magnets on fridge doors bear no relevance to magnets on cars. I'm not surprised you notice no improvement in your fridge. As a successful distributor of car magnets, I wrote to you some months ago, and you replied with the suggestion that I was persuading people to invest in a product whose benefits were scientifically unproven. I wonder why you are so sure about this. I have in front of me a long list of scientific studies on the effects of a magnetic force on fluids in tubes, from blood to water to gas to – gasp – petrol and diesel. The fact is that this subject is not as big an issue as, let us say, cancer, so scientific evidence does not get too much publicity in the media.

You are wrong in your assertion that these gadgets can't work or else leading manufacturers would fit them. One of the big American companies does just that, on at least one of its models. I can only assume that the powerful fuel lobby prevents them from being fitted more widely. These magnets are a good investment and it makes sense to have something removable that you can take with you from one car to the next. If you really want readers to respect your opinions, might it not be sensible to try such a magnet yourself, and then come clean in your column once you discover what many thousands of motorists already know?

“Honest John” responded:

You're on your own, mate. If these things worked, they would be fitted to every new car because it is in every manufacturer's interest to reduce fuel consumption and CO2 during official lab testing. The fact that they don't fit these gizmos says it all. Everything you write is vague and unsubstantiated. You claim one of America's big car companies fits these magnets, but don't say which. Why not?

I chose to get in on the act, particularly since I’m on the lookout for any possible applicants for the JREF million-dollar prize, which we’re negotiating to offer in the UK, specifically, on a proposed TV series there. I wrote:

Honest John: Following your most recent put-down of the silly car-magnet vendor, several of my readers inspired me to write and offer the long-standing million-dollar offer of this foundation, for a successful test of such fripperies. However, knowing the characteristics of these scam-artists, I can assure you that the person involved will prefer to sail on successfully bilking his victims rather than to submit his miraculous device to a simple, definitive, test – but I hereby refer him/her to randi.org/joom/challenge-info-2.html and I give my assurance that the device/system – if it can be shown to work as advertised – will assuredly take the million dollar prize. In fact, I’ve just returned from the UK, where I negotiated a contract to present this challenge on TV to the UK public.

Any response offered by the vendor will feature the usual canards about the prize offer being spurious – a claim which can easily be shown to be false.

So, we’re awaiting a response. Fat chance.




MORE “QI” DISCUSSION

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Reader John Lombard is a Canadian citizen who has been living and working in China for fifteen years. He’s been working with a small group of Chinese scientists and intellectuals to promote interest in both Humanist and skeptical organizations in that country. He writes re last week’s item at randi.org/swift-april-18-2007-2.html#i8:

I wanted to add a little more to the discussion on "qi" as it applies to acupuncture. I'm by no means a proponent of acupuncture (and in fact, one of our upcoming skeptical events in Beijing will focus specifically on this question), but as someone who has lived in China 15 years, and done a fair bit of study on Chinese culture, I must express some disagreement with Bob Park's analysis of the origin or meaning of "qi," and its relation to acupuncture.

Much of the problem is that we really don't have any words, or even concepts in English that adequately translate the meaning of "qi"; we must do so by approximations and analogies. However, two key points that I'd like to mention:

1) "Qi" can be translated as "air," "breath," "spirit," "energy," or a number of other words, depending on its context and use. In fact, "qi" can be used in reference to objects that are entirely solid, and have no "air" aspect whatsoever.

2) The meridian lines that Qi energy is supposed to follow bear little resemblance to the circulatory system in the body. Everything that I've seen regarding acupuncture indicates that a general theory of energy moving through the body came first, and that later observations about the circulatory and nervous system were used to support that original theory – not the other way around.

I think that the best way to describe "qi" in English is to go back a long time in Chinese history, to their early efforts to understand and classify the world around them. They saw everything as being made up of something they called "qi," which in this context might best be described as "energy." This "qi" could be divided into various fractions, or densities, so a cloud would have a much smaller “fraction” of qi than a rock would, but both would still be described and categorized using "qi." You might consider "qi" as the fundamental unit of matter, but depending on its form and concentration, it could take on many different appearances, and have many different effects.

Randi comments: speaking as an amateur on this matter, I can look upon this as an early expression of the idea of fundamental atomic theory, in which all matter is composed of protons, electrons, and neutrons. Though it took John Dalton to strictly codify atomic theory, by the 5th and 6th centure BCE, the Greeks and Indians had expressed this idea... Back to Mr. Lombard’s contribition:

The debate in China about Traditional Chinese Medicine is, in many ways, similar to the debate in the U.S. about creationism. There are many Chinese – including scholars and academics – who hold TCM's beliefs to be an integral part of Chinese culture and history; and therefore, an attack on TCM is an attack on Chinese culture itself. The arguments and vitriol between both sides in the debate is remarkably similar to that between creationists and evolutionists in North America. Chinese doctors who have suggested having TCM tested and analyzed using a proper scientific process have been demonized; some have lost their jobs, others have been physically assaulted or received death threats.

I just hope this alternate perspective might help bring more understanding to the debate.

Thank you, John. Indeed, this clarifies our understanding, but brings our attention to the problems still extant in China, as it enters the world area and has to shake off so many traditional ideas and bits of philosophy. Now, if only creationists would look at the facts...




A MATTER OF SOME SENSITIVITY

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Please bear in mind that what follows is an example of cultural differences, not of basic smarts. Ethnic differences in attitude and philosophy can lead to gross misunderstanding of reality and how others perceive it, and though we in the USA and UK may assume we’re somewhat further ahead in sophistication, a simple reference to football riots can be very sobering indeed…

Reader Nathan Jekich reports that police in Kinshasa, the Democratic Republic of Congo's capital, just arrested thirteen suspected “sorcerers” accused of using black magic to steal or shrink men's penises after a wave of panic and attempted lynchings triggered by charges of witchcraft. Now, these reports of so-called penis-snatching are not uncommon in West Africa, where strong belief in traditional religions and witchcraft remains widespread, and where ritual killings to obtain blood or other body parts still occur regularly. The current claims of penis theft began circulating last week among some 8 million inhabitants of Kinshasa, dominating radio call-in shows, with listeners being advised to particularly beware of fellow passengers in communal taxis who might be wearing gold rings, considered an attribute of witches.

Some males who claimed to be victims said that sorcerers simply touched them to make their genitals shrink or disappear, and these actions were followed by what some said were attempts to extort cash from them with the promise of a cure. There were attempted lynchings of accused witches, and some were seen to be covered in marks after being beaten. Police arrested the accused sorcerers and their victims in an effort to avoid the sort of bloodshed seen in Ghana a decade ago, when twelve suspected penis-snatchers were beaten to death by angry mobs. Reported the police, when they tried to tell a victim that his penis was still there, he would claim that that it's now become tiny or that he’s become impotent.

To those ignorant of basic male psychology, we should explain that apparent diminution of that organ can often be imagined by the possessor, especially when any question of masculinity is suggested, suspected, or introduced; we are sensitive to such influences, and I’m sure that our brothers in the Congo are similarly tuned, in this respect. Of course, some of us have never fallen prey to such delusions, faced with the evidence…

Life is just full of problems…




FROM AN UNEXPECTED SOURCE

stooges

Reader W. Yarber points us to youtube.com/watch?v=aFk4FRsI9Ps, where a very sober public-service video can be seen. He writes:

I don't know if you ever saw/used this clip before, but here's a vintage 60-second commercial in which the Three Stooges blast phony arthritis cures and medical quackery in general. If the link doesn't work, just search "Three Stooges Arthritis" on YouTube. If the STOOGES can see through such scams, how low IS the bar for believing that stuff?

Thank you, Larry, Moe, and Curly Joe. Miss you guys…




WHERE’S THAT DAMN ARK?

ark

From reader Larry Thornton:

Some guy on a blog writes...

With all the "hidden knowledge" forum members seem to possess, I'm interested in the best guess of where the Ark of the Covenant is hidden. Here are the possibilities I've collected:

1) Tikrit, Ethopia; stolen and carried there by the son of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba.

2) Still buried beneath the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

3) Under the site of the crucifixion, wherever that might be.

4) Recovered from the Temple Mount by Crusaders, Hidden around Rennes-le-Chateau, France.

5) Beneath the Cathedral in Chartres, France, which has scenes of Templar knights returning with the Ark.

6) In the crypt of Rosslyn Chapel, Scotland.

7) Across the Atlantic, buried on Oak Island, Nova Scotia.

8) And there are even some people who believe the Ark is in Utah, New Mexico or Arizona...

Forgive the fresh approach, folks, but what about this startling possibility:

9) There is no Ark, and never was, except in folk stories...




THE OPINION FROM BACKSTAGE

From heavy skeptic Richard Wiseman – also a magician – come these interesting survey results. He polled a crowd of magicians, and he thanked them for their participation:

Many thanks for taking part in the recent survey that I carried out into magic and belief in the paranormal. We had over 400 performers take part, and the results are fascinating. Previous work has suggested that magicians may hold surprisingly high levels of belief in psychic ability. However, this was not the case in the new survey, with about three-quarters of respondents expressing skepticism about the paranormal. However, about 25% of the group thought that psychic ability was a reality and, interestingly, about a third of these claimed to have had an experience that they thought was paranormal whilst performing.

Most of these experiences appear to take place during performances of mentalism, and psychic entertaining. I have written up the main findings in a guest article on the “Skepchick” website today. The article can be found here: skepchick.org/blog/?p=1319#more-1319.

I have also provided more information about the survey, and related research, on my own site, here: richardwiseman.com/magicsurvey.

Again, many thanks for taking part and I hope that you find the results interesting. Please feel free to email me if you would like a copy of the article, or have any comments.




BEYOND PARODY

Professor D. Colquhoun, FRS, held the established chair of Pharmacology at University College London, and was the Honorary Director of the Wellcome Laboratory for Molecular Pharmacology. His interests are in quantitative analysis of receptor mechanisms. In 2004, he was made an Honorary Fellow of the University College, London. He directs us to dcscience.net/?p=227, where we learn that someone apparently believes that amethysts “emit high yin energy” – as opposed to yang energy, of course. Writes Professor Colquhoun:

Times Higher Education has published a league table showing that the University of Westminster is head of the league table for the number of courses in quackery. With fine timing, I just acquired the slides for their lecture on "vibrational medicine". See a selection of them. It seems that "Amethyst, the 'Transmutator'… emits high Yin energy, so transmuting lower energies and clearing and aligning energy disturbances…"

This is part of a vocational "Bachelor of Science" degree. It is beyond parody. You couldn't make it up.




MY UK VISIT

randiuk

I enjoyed an excellent break from my JREF duties from the 16th to the 22nd of this month, in the United Kingdom to discuss contract possibilities with a leading TV production company. Prospects for beginning a series there appear to be excellent, and I’ll report as things move along. I got to confer with old friends such as Sid Rodrigues, Richard Wiseman, Sue Blackmore, Chris French, Wendy Grossman, Mike Hutchinson, and many others, and I dropped in on the new and exciting headquarters of The Magic Circle, as well.

The JREF million-dollar prize will be a part of the eventual TV presentation, but the producers want to keep the format well away from any possible “game show” aspect, a decision that met with my hearty approval. Already, on the last day of my brief stay there, we did a preliminary examination of a chap who actually thinks he has a diagnostic method whereby the subject is asked questions about his/her color preferences, and a computer then generates what he fondly thinks is a diagnosis of the subject’s state of health. Rather, it is designed to indicate whether the subject either has a specific ailment, or is susceptible to developing that ailment – a claim which simply cannot be tested until, obviously, the subject has lived out his/her life span. The claims of this system are just not falsifiable; there is no way the claims can be wrong, so the assessment was not definitive, I’d say… However, the applicant is adamant in still wanting to be tested.

We’ll see…

On Saturday night I lectured at Conway Hall, capacity 475, which was sold out within 48 hours, and many late-comers were turned away. I regret that… An excellent visit, all in all.


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written by Ozy, April 25, 2008
The mention of Randi spending time in the UK reminds me of how I've never seen Randi and Dawkins at the same speaking engagement. That would be something to see!
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written by julianrod, April 25, 2008
"I've never seen Randi and Dawkins at the same speaking engagement."
Could it be because... they're the same person?! Hmm....
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written by fluffy, April 25, 2008
Is this why Randi never takes off his glasses?
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written by Jon, April 25, 2008
As a skilled illusionist, Randi manages to create the impression of being both himself and Dawkins on stage in this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LSOD77clNZM
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written by Realitysage, April 25, 2008
About "FROM AN UNEXPECTED SOURCE": The writer W. Yarber ends his/her letter about the Three Stooges with the comment "Thank you, Larry, Moe, and Curly Joe. Miss you guys…" While the sentiment may be sincere, I don't think the deceased funnymen can acknowledge the thanks...Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!
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written by KidCharlemagne, April 25, 2008
In response to the Ark -

There are two different "Arks": The fictional boat (Noah's Ark), and the Ark of The Covenant. The latter of which could very well be a real artifact. Didn't he see 'Raiders'?
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written by Mouse, April 25, 2008
It was great to see Randi and the other excellent speakers in London.

It only goes to show the huge demand for critical thinking.

I really hope that there will eb an amazing meeting UK

I couldn't afford to go to the USA but there were people at the London meeting who had travlled from Germany.

I think there are lots of UK people who would like to contribute to an even more amzaing event - Darren Brown, Stephen Fry, and no doubt others.
I notice a lot of comedians are humanists - and may be interested in helping raise funds.

As for the London meeting - my few gripes are it was over too soon, and perhaps there could have been auctions or other fundraising events to raise even more money for the JREF.

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written by TDjazz, April 25, 2008
Nyuk nyuk nyuk!

I know the original Curly of the Three Stooges isn't in that old commercial--I'm just channeling him!
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written by Perseus, April 25, 2008
Re: The Ark of the Covenant
Of course 9 is a possibility. It was announced with relished rhetoric, I can see. However, to think everything is false just because it is in the Bible is as dogmatic as to think everything is true just because it is in the Bible.
That said, if it did exist, possibility 10 is probably the most likely: It was taken apart, the wood used for a campfire and the metal to adorn the cleavage some monarch's mistress.
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written by pfeng, April 25, 2008
I'm not going to totally dismiss the idea of a car company including useless fripperies like fuel magnets in a vehicle. If a customer is going to pay extra for it, they're not going to say, "Well, this is scientifically proven not to work, you don't want this" -- they're going to make a quick buck and sell it to the customer!

I'd like to know which automaker allegedly includes those, though, so I can avoid them next time I buy a car.
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written by Mr. Science, April 25, 2008
Where's that damn ark? Duh! Everyone knows that it's in a government warehouse, being examined by top men. Top men, Dr. Jones!
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written by Desertphile, April 25, 2008
I ain't got an ark, but how about a Holy Grail? I gots dozens! $60,000 each: inquire within....
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written by Desertphile, April 25, 2008
Fuel magnets.... STILL?! After at least 50 years of failure? Gods people are silly.

There are a great many "fuelless magnet motor" videos on YouTube that make absurd and false claims (which I refute in my videos), some of which insist they have achieved the impossible though most claim they are "on the verge of a breakthrough" (to paraphrase dozens of claims). The fact is simple and fundamental: magnetic fields cannot perform work (w=fd) without energy being added to the system. Magnetic fields can be used to convert forms of energy into other forms of energy, but they provide ZERO energy to a system (ANY and ALL systems).

For some odd reason, the "free energy" cultists insist I must work for BIG OIL.....
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written by Blondin, April 25, 2008
So let me get this straight...

qi = mC^2 ?
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written by edgraham, April 25, 2008
Not everything in the Bible is false, as you say, but the Ark OTC has magical powers. Maybe it was sucked up by qi, or "the ether" and we'll never find it. It could have been tied to Helium balloons with flares attached.

There is no ark, but it was a great movie. It's time for all of us to grow up - - even China.

Ed Graham
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written by kongfuzi, April 25, 2008
On the topic of penis disappearence, there is a phenomnon called genital retraction syndrome. Mass hysteria can lead to groups of men believing that their penis are shrinking or retracting into the abdomen. Some folk remedy calls for using a pair of chopsticks to hold one's penis to prevent it from retracting into the abdomen. These mass hysteria occurs in CHina and southeast asia and of course, Africa. In Southeast Asia, it is sometimes known as Koro (not to be confused with Kuru, the fatal brain disease spread by cannibalism).
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written by Caller X, April 25, 2008
Regarding the Ark blog: I'm now going to channel the Three Judges.
Randy: "It was really just a'ight for me."
Paula: "You've got a beautiful instrument."
Simon: "Utter rubbish. Everyone KNOWS that Tikrit is in Iraq. Perhaps you've heard of Saddam Hussein's hometown? The town in Ethiopia is Axum. You do your cause an ENORMOUS disservice by getting basic facts wrong. Now look at my black t-shirt."
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written by tonyp, April 25, 2008
I guess it's possible there was never an Ark of the Covenant, it just doesn't seem tremendously likely.

By Ark of the Covenant I'm talking about an ornate box that was kept in the Temple of Solomon and revered by the Jewish faith as a divine artefact. The period in question (in which the Temple of Solomon existed) is not pre-history, there were written records, so pulling this sort of thing out of thin air is a bit odd.

I also don't see what the advantage is in making this sort of detail up, since it's pretty ignominious and incongruous to have this massively sacred object only to lose it or have it taken away and destroyed. It kind of undermines the majesty of the artefact or the power of the divinity.

From a narrative point of view this is so unsatisfying people are STILL trying to give the story a better ending. If you were writing a story from scratch, utterly unconstrained by historical events, you'd most likely construct it differently, or so it seems to me.

It's not impossible the entire thing was just made up but it seems more likely there is at least some historical basis for the story.

The two most likely possibilities aren't even on the original list:

10) It was melted down or otherwise destroyed - quite possibly by the same Babylonian invaders who destroyed the Temple of Solomon, possibly by fleeing priests who discerned a need for liquid assets.

11) It was lost, either hidden to keep it safe and lost when the people who hid it died (as happened with many coin caches), or just dumped somewhere by someone who didn't think it was as cool as the propaganda made it sound (possibly when it notably failed to smite the Babylonians).
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written by tonyp, April 25, 2008
On a more sombre note, the vibrational qualities of amethyst being part f a science degree is just breath-taking. I had fondly thought that possession of a science degree might be an assurance of at least some level of critical thinking rather than certification of utter credulity.

Educational institutions are supposed to be part of the solution rather than the root of the problem!
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written by GusGus, April 25, 2008
Speaking of two arks, I wonder why it was necessary for the King James translators to use the word "ark". Or, alternatively, why it continues to be used by the present-day translators. It is obvious from the context that Noah's "ark" could be better translated as "boat" or some such thing, and the covenant "ark" could be better translated as "box" or perhaps "cabinet". I guess the original translators went to something that apparently means a quite generic "vessel" or some such thing.
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written by Disappointed, April 25, 2008
475 tickets was woefully inadequate. Even Sylvia Browne could have predicted that problem Mr Randi. And I'm quite sure you don't regret it as much as all the people who were disappointed.
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written by RenderOfTheVeils, April 25, 2008
If you should ever discover the Ark of the Covenant, whatever you do, don't touch it!

Remember what happened to Uzza:

1 Chronicles 13:7 And they carried the ark of God in a new cart out of the house of Abinadab: and Uzza and Ahio drave the cart.

13:9 And when they came unto the threshingfloor of Chidon, Uzza put forth his hand to hold the ark; for the oxen stumbled.


(Seeing that the Ark of the Covenant is about to fall to the ground, Uzza -- quite sensibly -- reaches out to steady it. Of course, if you've seen "Raiders of the Lost Ark" you just know that something bad is about to happen.)

13:10 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God.

And quick-thinking Uzza is promptly struck dead by God! The lesson here: keep your hands off God's relics or he'll kill ya!

This passage exemplifies the God of the Old Testament: an irrational, mean-spirited psychopath!

But I suppose if the ark had actually gone crashing to the ground and been smashed into a million pieces, God probably would've retaliated by killing a few 10,000 or so innocents. ("Splinters of the Lost Ark"?)

The moral of this story: no good deed goes unpunished.
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written by RenderOfTheVeils, April 25, 2008
Some great excerpts from "So where's the proof?" (The Skeptic Tank):

Perpetual motion machines, psychic power, space aliens among us, dowsing, N-rays, polywater, cold fusion, telepathy, levitation, anti-gravity, gods and goddesses, Men In Black, Satanic rituals and conspiracies, demonic possessions, haunted houses, Bigfoot, teleportation, spirit realms, crystal power, faith healing and praying at deities, mystical magical medical 'breakthroughs,' Creationism, spoon bending, global floods, repressed memories, lost continents, faster than light travel, life after death, and the Trickle Down Effect... these days it seems everyone's got a pet belief they pamper, fertilize, and water.

And yet no believer has any evidence for their pet beliefs. When asked for evidence the response is usually mystifying silence or accusations that those who are asking are "close minded" (ignoring the fact that asking for evidence in the first place negates any such accusations.)

When pressed the True Believer will usually issue reams and reams of illiterate, ranting run-on sentences which, if one bothers to expend a great deal of energy deciphering, ends up being nothing more than a public exhibition of the individual's lack of science education and dogmatic adherence to unfounded, unevidenced, and undependable religious beliefs.

It would be nice to be able to pretend that the stars and planets control our destiny; that there are forces beyond our control upon which we may divest ourselves of responsibility for our own failures and our own actions. There is comfort in pretending to know the future or to pretend that one won't really have to die like everyone else just because one believes in deity constructs. But there is far more comfort in science and technology, without which our populations would not be supportable, our water undrinkable, our jobs unreachable, our diseases crippling and incurable. Superstitious beliefs don't feed people, science does.

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/proof.htm
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written by Diverted Chrome, April 25, 2008
"The two most likely possibilities aren't even on the original list: "

Judiac mythology; the biggest point of the Old Testament is for the Jewish Tribe to puff it's chest as having chose their own special god and, more importantly, vice versa. But in the grand scheme of things the Jews of this period were a minor tribe and any artifacts of greater/lesser importance within the tribe would easily be lost to history. Of course, the more lost they become (if they even ever existed), the better the myth-making. Those searching for the artifacts are interested in only one thing: assuaging doubt. Ironically, you see this mostly amongst xtians out looking for Judaic artifacts. Using Judaic myth to somehow prove xtian hegemony is a long-about circle to travel. Proving the Jewish religion to validate the xtian faith; weird.
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written by Loser, April 26, 2008
The covenant of the ark is that if the people obeyed the ten commandments then they would be god's chosen people. What incredible arrogance! The ark never existed because the magical ten commandment tablets never existed to put in the ark.
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written by jbspry, April 27, 2008
Regarding the items on Qui and Acupuncture:
In this modern global age of ours we are under a great deal of pressure to be culturally sensitive and to "celebrate diversity" as the saying goes. It is considered bigotry and racism to question anything that has the imprimatur of anyone's culture and traditions. Unfortunately this has tainted the world's scientific enterprises as well. Science questions everything; the spirit of cultural diversity questions nothing. It is not enough to accept another's mode of dress or social customs without bias; one must also accept their pre-scientific explanations for the way the world operates (medicine, physics, the origin of life etc) as fully equal to our own or we are intolerant, closed-minded bigots.
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written by Careyp74, April 27, 2008
I think there is a possibility that these penis shrinking sorcerers do exist, although I don't have any faith in their ability. I think the most logical explanation is that there are con artists using the male psychology angle to cheat people out of their money, and when they were caught, the public reacted with fear and anger. These beatings could be the result of such cons, and is the con artists getting beaten and hung.
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written by jbspry, April 27, 2008
Careyp74, I have to respectfully disagree. The perps were arrested for sorcery, not fraud, and the victims (and others) are being warned to avoid those who show signs of being sorcerers. The anger of the mobs is not at being cheated, because they believe that such magic is real and has been sucessfully used against them.
I wish that these folk were aware enough to lynch con artists; that would mean that at least they recognize a fraud when they see one.
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written by Wolfman, April 27, 2008
In response to jbspry's comments:

I both agree, and disagree. The idea that we should accept false beliefs just because it is a part of someone's culture is wrong, I agree.

However, as someone who is actively working in a such cultures, I am also opposed to those who simply go marching in, say, "This is wrong, and we're going to show you the truth", and aggressively attack any beliefs that they feel are wrong.

Pretty much all of these cultures have had more than enough people coming in and basically telling them, "You are primitive, you are inferior, you are wrong", etc. And then setting about to bring them forcibly into the "modern world". The problem is that this approach is entirely counter-productive. The 'recipients' of your attention inevitably react defensively, and possibly with hostility, towards your efforts. And that is hardly a conducive atmosphere to promote change and new ideas.

I operate on a simple, basic principle. I must put in as much time learning about their beliefs, as I expect them to put into learning about mine. I must make as much of an effort to understand their beliefs, as I expect them to make in understanding mine. And I must demonstrate as much respect for their beliefs as I expect them to respect mine.

This does not mean that I am validating their beliefs, nor does it mean that I am saying that the veracity of their beliefs is equal to my own. What it means is that, as individuals, I treat them as my equals, regardless of what their beliefs are. And as such, I cannot expect them to show me more respect or willingness to learn about my beliefs, then I demonstrate for them and their beliefs.

Once this relationship of mutual respect and understanding is established, it is then far, far easier to present my own -- atheist, science-based -- beliefs to them, in a manner that they will be more receptive to, and more willing to consider the information that I am presenting to them.

So while I agree with the general principles that jbspry states, I'd advise caution that not all those who take time to listen to, understand, and respect the religious/supernatural beliefs of other cultures are pandering to them, or trying to claim some sort of equivalence between those beliefs and scientific truths.

Rather, they may be establishing a platform of mutual respect and communication, which will lead to far greater opportunities for them to listen to and accept the information that we seek to present to them. As opposed to simply marching in, declaring that everything they believe is wrong, and they must henceforth endeavor to think just like us (which is very much the way that such people often regard outsiders trying to change their beliefs).
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written by Jeremy Henderson, April 27, 2008
..."the con artists getting beaten and hung."

No pun intended, I'm sure.
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written by novosonic, April 28, 2008
sorry the book 'ark of the covenent' really exists, and it's written in english and arabic numerals...................

i've done some updates which involves the works of albert the great; and, bucky fuller: his business partner during the philadelphia experiment.

as the old 'con artist' adage goes: you can't cheat an honest man.

and secondly, i don't believe in money, because money is the root of all evil.

lastly, i have a problem with people cherry picking data to support their outlandish claims. summation/integral

as to the scientific method, you can only cheat yourself, if you don't know the basics.

supreme sXXXXX command, asking for an honest wager.........
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written by advancedGIR, April 29, 2008
Loser, The extremely high odd that no god or superpower was involved does not prove that there wasn't a sealed box put on display in the Solomon temple, it would be far from being the only artifact seen in a temple. I also think it's possible that it actually contained law tablets because I can't see why the creators of the ark would have lied on a such simple fact.
Of course, it is also possible that the information about that box got lost or altered (possibly on purpose) over the centuries and that the box was simply the coffin of some forgotten VIP, anyway, I still think it really existed, was 100% man made, ha.
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written by advancedGIR, April 29, 2008
(sorry, accidental submit in the middle of a sentence)
...had important symbolic value to some people and probably had far enough time and occasions to be totally destroyed.
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written by plimm, April 29, 2008
I think the ark of the covenant might be in my cellar under the lawn roller.
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written by basudeb, April 30, 2008
In response to Wolfman's comments:

"Pretty much all of these cultures have had more than enough people coming in and basically telling them, "You are primitive, you are inferior, you are wrong", etc. .... The problem is that this approach is entirely counter-productive. The 'recipients' of your attention inevitably react defensively, and possibly with hostility, towards your efforts. "

I disagree. I do not think anyone without a vested interest in the continuation of the old belief system and the power structure that is built around them, will react with hostility. As a species, humans are always willing to change and learn.. all the time. This is visible from how we take in to new technology. The hostile elements are those who enjoy power and use the vulnerability of ordinary folks to organize them to be hostile. Politics of power is always fighting against rationalism. ( I must say, sometimes it is the other way round, they create a pseudo rationalist world view to break old power structures... go thru the history of world revolutions.. ).
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written by Wolfman, April 30, 2008
basudeb,

I don't want to sound condescending, but I am curious as to whether your opinion is based on actual experience of working with such cultures, or more on theory and how you think it would work?

I've been working for quite some time with a Chinese minority group; and have seen others working with other minorities here. Absolutely without exception, those who have come in and taken the approach you support have met significant resistance, and change has been slow and difficult. Whereas those who have taken the approach that I proposed have enjoyed much greater success.

Let me point out a key part of your own response -- "anyone without a vested interest in the continuation of the old belief system". That pretty much means "anyone who is not a leader". But in these cultures, their leaders (be they political, spiritual, or whatever) command great respect. So what you are really proposing is to set up a conflict between the leaders, and the 'regular' people in the culture. Keep in mind, that "leaders" in this context are often their grandparents, parents, etc.

I fail to see how such a strategy can be expected to yield beneficial results. Particularly when compared to a policy that makes leaders a part of the process of change, engaging them in the process. And before you say that that is impossible, let me state that I've seen it work, and work effectively.

I'd recommend that perhaps you check out this thread ==> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=72651
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written by Wolfman, April 30, 2008
Ooops...my last response got cut off.

The thread I linked to is a discussion in the JREF forums about the minority group I'm working with in China.

I just wanted to conclude by pointing out that the "changes" you talked about (such as accepting new techology) are largely INTERNAL changes, that come about as a part of the evolution of that culture, as people WITHIN that culture come up with new discoveries. That is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from those situations where one culture seeks to impose its beliefs on another culture...historically, every time this has been done (regardless of whether the beliefs being imposed were good or bad), the people in the target culture resisted, and reacted with hostility. That is simple human nature. Expecting any other result is naive in the extreme.
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written by basudeb, May 01, 2008
I agree with everything Wolfman says. But my perspectives are different.

I do have experience of living in a composite culture of hundred different belief systems and spent a lifetime seeing how technology seeps in and alters the beliefs from below. But the outer envelop remains the same because politics and "leadership" won't have it any other way.

There is something revolting in a culture imposing its beliefs on another seemingly low culture and I know how that is hated. But my knowledge of history says this is only a cloak hiding the usual wargame that humanity plays.

I am afraid I cannot find any superior culture. There is hardly any difference between the creationists and a so called backward culture's belief systems in some minority group in China.

May be "superior cultures" should first clean their stables first. But how and when? A million Dawkins and Randi may not be even enough. We need a strategy for this first. I can see the day is not far off when human civilization drowns itself in a crazy concoction of technology and religion.
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written by ciccio, May 02, 2008
I love this site, it leads me to so many interesting places, I have just found one which has just reassured me that it is unlikely I have been abducted by aliens,
though for only $15 it will provide the proof. As for the ark of the covenant, it existed as surely as the Turin shroud, an article of such mysterious power that it can even disprove carbon dating. Real powerful magic.

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