Comments for "Dave Mabus" Diagnosed and In Treatment at http://www.randi.org/site , comment 1 to 6 out of 6 comments http://www.randi.org/site Sat, 25 May 2013 21:23:39 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1434-qdave-mabusq-diagnosed-and-in-treatment.html#comment-23851 @benbradley: I have no information on where the further treatment is taking place, I don't even know if such would be made public. There is some mention (but no details about) [url=http://www.pinel.qc.ca/contentt.aspx?navid=185&CultureCode=en-CA]substance abuse on the Philippe-Pinel website[/url]. - krelnik Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:00:38 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1434-qdave-mabusq-diagnosed-and-in-treatment.html#comment-23850 @Caller X: Thanks for the clarification on the translation. I did consult with someone (other than Google Translate) on the meaning, but I knew there would be subtlety there that I would probably mess up -- not only because my French is poor, but also because I am not a lawyer. That's why I said "roughly translated". You are also correct to point out that there is a difference between the lawyer talking about his client and talking about "the person responsible". At this point nothing has been proven in court, so those could well be two different people. - krelnik Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:48:21 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1434-qdave-mabusq-diagnosed-and-in-treatment.html#comment-23849 I agree with JDM, regrettably we know too little to determine with much accuracy who will actually become violent out of those who make such threats. The mental health (and addiction treatment) field is at its best currently a very inexact science, and this allows pseudoscience to flourish in these areas even moreso than other such as the medical sciences which have increasing successes in treating and even curing many formerly debilitating and deadly diseases. I'm not sure what "substance abuse rehabilitation" is in Canada, but I sure hope it's not 12-step based. Is the name of the treatment center he's been sent to available to the public? A center's website usually mentions what modalities it uses. There are 12-step-based alcohol and drug treatment centers in Canada but I don't think they're as overwhelmingly prevalent as they are in the USA where 95 percent are 12-step based, with the "Minnesota Model" being almost universally presented as the way to "put into remission the disease of alcoholism." There's a long ongoing thread in the forum on AA and 12-step based treatment, featuring 12-step proponents as well as others such as myself (a skeptic and former AA member) who tell why 12-step programs are religion-based despite its "spiritual not religions" claims, and why it's NOT in any sense reason-based: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=180683 Mr. "Mabus" surely doesn't need any such "programming" to mess up his thinking any further. I would never wish 12-step treatment on anyone. - benbradley Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:25:19 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1434-qdave-mabusq-diagnosed-and-in-treatment.html#comment-23848 [quote]Roughly translated, he says that Mabus is an unusual person indeed, perhaps unbalanced in some way.[/quote] [i][b] Accurately[/b][/i] translated, he says "It is not a normal person who did this; there is something unbalanced." Without any context, your quote doesn't establish that the attorney was talking about his client; he was talking about the person who "did this". But of course a rough translation is fine, especially when dealing with legal matters. Seriously, dude? - Caller X Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:25:56 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1434-qdave-mabusq-diagnosed-and-in-treatment.html#comment-23847 I would tend to criticize those that would not take death threats seriously, even if it's rare that they follow through. The core problem is, you don't know which ones to take seriously. A death threat is considered a form of assault in some jurisdictions. I don't believe free speech covers death threats anyway. And now, at least the mental illness is actually being addressed rather than allowed to fester and allow him to silence people through fear. - JDM Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:11:29 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1434-qdave-mabusq-diagnosed-and-in-treatment.html#comment-23846 Mr Markuze is definitely in need of some help. - William Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:20:47 +0100