Comments for A Brief Report On The Finances of The World-Controlling Atheist Cabal at http://www.randi.org/site , comment 1 to 30 out of 20 comments http://www.randi.org/site Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:09:05 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15986 [url= http://www.sousoushoes.com/air-jordan-shoes-c-2.html"]air jordan[/url] [url= http://www.sousoushoes.com/air-jordan-shoes-c-2.html"]air jordan shoes[/url] [url= http://www.sousoushoes.com/air-jordan-shoes-c-2.html"]buy air jordan[/url] [url= http://www.sousoushoes.com/air-jordan-shoes-c-2.html"]air jordan sale[/url] - chocolate775885@hotmail.c Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:18:21 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15985 [url= http://www.sousoushoes.com/air-jordan-shoes-c-2.html">air jordan[/url] [url= http://www.sousoushoes.com/air-jordan-shoes-c-2.html">air jordan shoes[/url] [url= http://www.sousoushoes.com/air-jordan-shoes-c-2.html">buy air jordan[/url] - chocolate775885@hotmail.c Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:16:05 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15984 [url=http://www.sousoushoes.com/air-jordan-shoes-c-2.html">air jordan[/url] [url=http://www.sousoushoes.com/air-jordan-shoes-c-2.html">air jordan shoes[/url] - chocolate775885@hotmail.c Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:13:40 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15970 It saddens me to say this, but I bet the Discovery Channel really would actually produce a documentary promoting Hovind's beliefs as actual established fact. Yes, I know I said Discovery *Channel* and I meant it! - BJB Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:47:07 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15969 [quote]@pxatkins Apology accepted. 'Idiot' label retracted. But man, did it take us some effort to get that across to you [/quote] Thanks. Not sure how much effort you consider 'some' but I only posted once after being 'put straight.' I believe the whole purpose of the JREF is to encourage critical thinking and the scientific method. Once I realised my mistake, I reviewed my stance and corrected it, based on new (to me anyway) evidence. Don't give up too easily, especially when the errant is one of your own. I have learned from this experience several things: that my prowess as an editor (shamefully yes, I AM a publisher and editor) is fallible; that I get things wrong and sometimes can't see it even if it is openly revealed; that, after being on the sharp end of a lashing, my sympathies with 'the other team' have become, if no more in line with their views, then more sensitive to the way we engage them. - pxatkins Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:26:06 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15964 Reading some of the nutso comments on this topic is why I no longer will "label" myself or let anyone else "label" me as an atheist. There are just too many hyper-ignorant folks who will make up their own definition of what an atheist is. When asked about my views, I simply assert "There are NO supernatural beings and there are NO supernatural events." I then invite the questioner to direct me to someplace where I can witness a miracle 24/7 such as a mountain floating in the sky or a place where amputees spontaneously sprout new limbs. One nut case thought he could "win" by claiming "maybe there are invisible miracles happening on the sub-atomic scale all the time." I just laughed and he never brought up the subject again. ;D - Willy K Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:23:49 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15961 @pxatkins Apology accepted. 'Idiot' label retracted. But man, did it take us some effort to get that across to you :( - metzomagic Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:31:48 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15958 Well, colour me foolish. I did indeed miss the difference between the two organisations. My apologies. - pxatkins Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:21:29 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15956 Amazing. The World-controlling Atheist Cabal (TINC) has now displaced The World-controlling Jewish Cabal (TINC) in the nutter mind. Oh, and lambofgod99 is posting the same stuff Dennis Markuze posts on web sites everywhere. TWCAC hasn't displaced TWCJC in his mind yet, but he imagines himself to have personally "defeated" both straw men. - DrMatt Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:18:25 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15948 Oops. My previous post wasn't a 'me too'. JT and I were composing our posts at the same time, and he just pipped me. Anyway, I suppose you can't slag major league idiots off enough. 'Atheist publisher' my arse from Dalkey! - metzomagic Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:43:41 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15945 @pxatkins You're not very good at this, are you? First you said: [quote]My objection to the article is that it is makes an assumption that the Discovery Channel is a tool of ID...[/quote] Dude, as another reader has already pointed out, the Discovery Institute and the Discovery Channel are two different entities. Google it in your spare time. OK, we could forgive one slip, but then you continue along blithely in the same vein. JT said: [quote]First off, calling foul on calling the Discovery Institute a tool of ID is like calling foul on calling the pope a Catholic.[/quote] To which you replied: [quote]That the Discovery Channel is a tool if ID is just an opinion; that the Pope is Catholic is a fact.[/quote] Now you've conflated the two organisations AGAIN. And finally, JT said: [quote]P.S. Rereading your post, I noticed you called the DI the Discovery Channel. That was just a slip, right? Or are you honestly not aware that those are two COMPLETELY different organizations?[/quote] To which you, astoundingly, replied: [quote]Yeah, you need to re-re-read it then ... there no such reference.[/quote] Sorry, but if you want to play with the grown up skeptics around here, you will soon DISCOVER that basic reading and comprehension skills are a prerequisite to intelligent discourse. Idiot. Pro tip: in an internet forum, people can actually read what you previously wrote. - metzomagic Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:29:05 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15943 @pxatkins Re: Discovery "Channel". You say there's no such reference, and yet you call it that AGAIN. The Discovery Channel is a cable channel devoted to science programming. We could discuss it's faults and merits, but that's completely beside the point. The Discovery "Institute" (not Channel, Institute), is an organization set up to push Intelligent Design into public schools. That is not "opinion" that is verified fact, as stated in their own documents, most notably the Wedge Document. Re: Sexism. Look up ad hominem some time. I didn't say you were sexist because you're ugly and your mom dresses you funny. I said you're sexist because you took the mere mention of someone being female and assumed it was a derogatory statement. In the absence of any previous sexist statements of the author (which I don't see), such an assumption requires that the reader presuppose that women are inferior at logical thinking, otherwise the statement can in no way be construed as derogatory. Such a presupposition would make the reader a sexist by definition. - JT Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:21:48 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15941 First off, calling foul on calling the Discovery Institute a tool of ID is like calling foul on calling the pope a Catholic. That the Discovery Channel is a tool if ID is just an opinion; that the Pope is Catholic is a fact. Secondly you called that sentence you quoted a derogatory slight on women. Why? The only thing I see even related to gender is the specification that the speaker was a woman. If you see that as in any way implying inferiority, then it is YOU who is sexist, not Mr. Chesser. Ah, honi soit qui mal y pense, hey? An excellent example of the ad hominem fallacy. Blame me for someone else's error. P.S. Rereading your post, I noticed you called the DI the Discovery Channel. That was just a slip, right? Or are you honestly not aware that those are two COMPLETELY different organizations? Yeah, you need to re-re-read it then ... there no such reference. - pxatkins Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:42:38 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15939 @pxatkins Wow, where to start? First off, calling foul on calling the Discovery Institute a tool of ID is like calling foul on calling the pope a Catholic. Secondly you called that sentence you quoted a derogatory slight on women. Why? The only thing I see even related to gender is the specification that the speaker was a woman. If you see that as in any way implying inferiority, then it is YOU who is sexist, not Mr. Chesser. P.S. Rereading your post, I noticed you called the DI the Discovery Channel. That was just a slip, right? Or are you honestly not aware that those are two COMPLETELY different organizations? - JT Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:13:41 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15934 I followed that link from lamofgod and seriously is he for real. He is either nuts or a skeptic trying to make the religious look more foolish than they already do or both. - Ravenclaw60 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:40:20 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15927 I have no connection with the other commentors, and I think lambofgodd99 is not only not a skeptic but a bona fide nutter. My objection to the article is that it is makes an assumption that the Discovery Channel is a tool of ID, then zips right along to claim all finances associated with DC are spent in the anti-skeptic 'cause' ... etc. etc. The final sentence (sarcasm ... cool.) says much: "Presuming this woman’s logic to be correct, one atheist is therefore capable of stopping 49 Christians from publishing things about intelligent design. But as an atheist publisher, I can (and do) prevent every IDer in the universe from being published, all by myself. I'll let the derogarory slight on women slide as accidental. - pxatkins Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:13:26 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15923 ...for big houses and expensive cars, I bet the amount of money all three mentioned foundations actually spend on their respective mission is about equal. - Griz Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:22:55 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15899 I DO take objection to the common use of the term "atheist" as the counterpoint to the "creation scientist". (I also have objection to using "creation" and "scientist" together, but...) Just because an organization promotes real science does not necessarily imply atheist. Also, just because one is Christian, does not necessarily imply creationist. I am but 1 Christian with VERY strong opinions about putting ID and creationism (2 different beliefs, by the way) in a science classroom. - William Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:14:52 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15896 Forgive the typo above. I thought I had proofed my comments but I see I missed the ending when I edited the quote codes. - Skeptigirl Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:36:08 +0100 http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/901-a-brief-report-on-the-finances-of-the-world-controlling-atheist-cabal.html#comment-15895 I thought this was an excellent point to be making. If atheist and secular groups are of such concern to theists, it should be apparent if you follow the money why theist groups should have such concerns. We all know where the money trail really goes. It's nice someone thought to point it out. So why are there multiple posts in the comments to the contrary? Hint: The posts in question make no substantive argument against the Swift article. [i]written by pxatkins:[/i][quote] I Discover therefore I'm ID. Wow. That article falls foul of just about every fallacy there is. Dude, we're skeptics ... did you think we wouldn't notice?[/quote] [i]written by Mick Houlahan:[/i][quote] I thought somebody was gonna start vetting these articles. Or at least proofreading for clarity.[/quote] [i]written by lambofgod99:[/i][quote] the end of the jref http://www.clubconspiracy.com/...10933.html[/quote] My guess is someone from the DI or some other theist group decided to weigh in with their opinions. Please correct me if I'm wrong and feel free to elaborate on the rationale for your comments, (hopefully without bearing false witness about who you really are). - Skeptigirl Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:33:46 +0100