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Elk Antler Velvet: Miracle Cure? PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Bart Farkas   
Tuesday, 28 December 2010 18:06

 

I live in Canada, in a province called Alberta. Anyone who looks at a map knows that Canada is a rather large country and in fact Alberta is only a little smaller than Texas, but instead of the thirty-something million inhabitants that are in Texas, Alberta contains just over three million souls. In other words, we have lots and lots of space here, and in that space there is a lot of farming and a great deal of livestock. In fact, there are nearly 5.5 million cattle in Alberta, outnumbering humans by a significant margin, but cattle are certainly not the only livestock raised in Alberta.

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Elk Antler Velvet:  Another alt med fad.

In recent years there are an increasing number of farmers in Alberta that are breeding and raising Elk, and for something I never would have guessed – the antler velvet that male Elk produce each year when their antlers grow. The desire to harvest and use Elk antler velvet stems from; you guessed it, Chinese medicine. According to Wikipedia, Elk antler velvet is second only to ginseng in importance to Chinese medicine practitioners.  An acquaintance of mine who raises elk recently told me that almost all of his elk antler velvet goes to the Korean alternative medicine market.

Recently I’ve noticed a number of signs on the highway stating “Elk Antler Velvet For Sale!” and with this mini-boom in elk antler velvet awareness, comes the kind of rumor and talk about the ‘miracle’ cure aspect of elk antler velvet. It’s mostly touted as a treatment for various kinds of arthritis, but as is common with so many such treatments, it has become a panacea for all kinds of ailments from male impotency to a cure for kidney troubles in dogs.

A quick scan of Pub Med reveals a University of Alberta study on the effects of elk antler velvet on rheumatoid arthritis sufferers in 2008, which states “Although some patients reported clinical improvements in their symptoms, there were no statistically significant differences between groups. Overall, elk velvet antler does not effectively manage residual symptoms in patients with rheumatoid arthritis.” Another study from 2004 from the University of Saskatchewan showed that wound healing in diabetic rats was improved with topical treatment with elk antler velvet (a water-soluble extract of it). Still, these are preliminary studies and as with many alternative medicines, the results are spotty.

Elk antler velvet could have some value, but the reasons for it being used in the first place was because elk are viewed as virile, strong animals and folks thought that if they ingested the male’s velvet it would impart some of the animal’s strength and, well, virility in them. We need to be cautious with this sort of thing to ensure that we are not harming the animals and not putting anyone at risk. There is some evidence that Chronic Wasting Disease, a prion-based disease similar to mad cow disease can be passed through infected antlers. That alone is reason to be wary of such new ‘therapies’.

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written by bigjohn756, December 28, 2010
I think that Elk velvet is a fine money making opportunity for Canadians. It looks like harvesting Elk velvet does not harm the Elk but does bring profit from the idiot Chinese who will believe in anything as long as it is "good for man" or some other off the wall weirdness. Go for it Canucks!
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written by bigjohn756, December 28, 2010
I did forget to mention that it might piss of the Elk to scrape off his velvet, didn't I? I would prefer not to be real close to a pissed off Elk. Them guys is real big and strong.
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written by Matt_D, December 28, 2010
Once the antlers are mature, Elk shed their velvet. No need to get close to a pissed-off Elk.

Silly business, though. Glad to see Mr. Paranoid Delusional is still spamming the comments.
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written by Caller X, December 28, 2010
Good job of selectively quoting Wikipedia. Your cherry picking missed this part:

"Western scientific studies have supported some of the claims, particularly the anti-inflammatory effects and athletic performance enhancement. One Canadian study on young males (football players and police recruits) found higher testosterone levels after taking velvet antler supplements for several weeks."

The term seems to be "velvet antler" rather than "antler velvet" since the entire immature antler is ground up, not just the velvety lining.
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"Velvet" is not velvet, it is antler.
written by Mark P, December 28, 2010
Not only is what is being produced "not just the velvety lining" but more that "antler velvet" is what most people would call "antler". The actual "velvet" lining is not particularly prized. The whole "velvet" thing is a total misnomer and should be dropped.

Basically the Asians are keen on horns and antlers, because of the sympathetic magic that Swift mentions. Antlers of virile animals will pass on virile characteristics, according to Asian "medicine".

It's basically a poor nutrient food. It's taken like a food, and will work as a food. It's no different to most herbal "remedies" in that respect, although a lot less full of active ingredients.

Studies showing its success will be more or less random hits, with some placebo effects thrown in. Personally I doubt that young Canadian footballers need more testosterone, and increasing testosterone will have the effect mainly of making them even more aggressive. (They could take testosterone for that!) We've seen the "fish oil reduces child inattention" studies shown to be bogus, and I don't doubt antler will go down the same path.
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No selective quoting going on...
written by Bruno, December 28, 2010
The wikipedia quote Caller X cites has no references. Anyone could have written that, it could even have been, urh, made up. The author is perfectly reasonable in mentioning only studies found in PubMed rather than the phantom ones suggested in the Wikipedia. Good thing Wikipedia has the "This article does not cite any references or sources" tag to mark such articles with.
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written by peterwbarber, December 29, 2010
In the end, there is no harm. The elk is not harmed and the human over-population is to some extent controlled.
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written by MadScientist, December 29, 2010
I'll keep that in mind if my diabetic mice injure themselves. Should I wear a feather headdress?

Are the elk being raised for food as well? I don't mind some roast or fried Bullwinkle.

Unfortunately the snakeoil business in Asia will likely persist for many generations (if it ever disappears at all). The nonsense even seems to be taking a hold in the USA. Somehow people think "ancient" and "natural" means it must somehow work. Which baseball player was it who died back in ~2003 due to some natural snakeoil (ephedra)?

Looking back in history the NYT even gave significant space to quack practitioners:

http://tinyurl.com/2vo2ped

Among the ridiculous unsubstantiated claims:

"Part of what makes herbal medicines safer is that they have a complex array of constituents,"

Way back when I was a chemist a "complex array of constituents" was generally a bad thing and we worked very hard to remove any chemical which was not a known and tested active ingredient. Real medicine (in pill form anyway) is some small amount of an active ingredient or even several active ingredients mixed with a 'binder' (typically wheat starch and/or sugar). Some venomous animals such as conch snails have a "complex array of constituents" - they're all natural but deadly and the mixture of toxins made it so difficult to develop an antivenin that researchers I'd known gave up the attempt over 20 years ago. In short, "complex array of constituents" may very well mean "multiple poisons which are close to impossible to negate when mixed together".
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written by Idle, December 29, 2010
I remember seeing that farm between edmonton and Calgary, and wondering why... And also laughing a bit.

People say it's a good money making scheme for us canadiens, but really, we have enough money as is with the oil sands.
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written by Caller X, December 29, 2010
No selective quoting going on...
written by Bruno, December 28, 2010
The wikipedia quote Caller X cites has no references. Anyone could have written that, it could even have been, urh, made up. The author is perfectly reasonable in mentioning only studies found in PubMed rather than the phantom ones suggested in the Wikipedia. Good thing Wikipedia has the "This article does not cite any references or sources" tag to mark such articles with.


By that logic, the author of the piece should not have referenced the Wikipedia article. Further, the author should not have cherry-picked the PubMed listings; there are way more than two studies easily findable. Whole lotta cherry pickin' goin' on.
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written by george152, December 29, 2010
Here in New Zealand most of the deer farming relies upon velvet sales for a large part of their income.
Its a scam but there's good money in it.
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written by Bruno, December 29, 2010
The bit BF quotes from Wikipedia reads "Elk antler velvet is second only to ginseng in importance to Chinese medicine practitioners." Hardly a medical claim in need of peer reviewed backup from a trusted source, and quite different in nature from the things you wanted him to add. You're welcome to cite studies from PubMed that support efficacy claims for antler velvet. If you can find them, you can accuse BF of picking out only the negative ones.
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written by Caller X, December 30, 2010
written by Bruno, December 29, 2010
The bit BF quotes from Wikipedia reads "Elk antler velvet is second only to ginseng in importance to Chinese medicine practitioners." Hardly a medical claim in need of peer reviewed backup from a trusted source, and quite different in nature from the things you wanted him to add. You're welcome to cite studies from PubMed that support efficacy claims for antler velvet. If you can find them, you can accuse BF of picking out only the negative ones.


Thank you for your permission. Very gracious. Mighty white of you. I never accused BF of picking out only negative studies. Please don't put words in my mouth. That's for strangers at truck stops. In fact one of the studies he cited was positive. The line BF quotes from Wikipedia is in fact wrong, as it is the antler itself, not just the velvet, which is used in Chinese medicine. Therefore no peer reviewed articles required. Tell me again where I used the word "add". Oh, that's right, you can't because I didn't.
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written by Phin H, January 04, 2011
There might be money to be made by the Canadians, but I cringe to think of some credulous or uninformed parent or pet owner putting their hopes (and money) into anything fraudulent for those under their care.
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written by replica watches uk, January 04, 2011
In fact one of the studies he cited was positive. The line BF quotes from Wikipedia is in fact wrong, as it is the antler itself, not just the velvet, which is used in Chinese medicine. Therefore no peer reviewed articles required. Tell me again where I used the word "add". Oh, that's right, you can't because I didn't.
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written by Bartmon, January 05, 2011
I actually don't think I used Wikipedia for any research on this article. I mostly used an elk farmer named Rudy Kist who is a skeptic and informed me of most of this information at a skeptic's gathering.

My concern is not with the animals (Rudy told me they are unharmed) but rather with folks who will use this treatment in lieu of other proven treatments and perhaps get sicker in the process.
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written by Beerina, January 05, 2011
Elk Antler Velvet: Another alt med fraud.



Fixed.
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