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Skeptical Parenting: Fighting Woo At Play Group PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Timothy Groth   

Despite the revelation of Doctor Andrew Wakefield’s study not only being flawed but outright fraudulent, there still exist parents who question the vaccinations that have safely and effectively helped protect children for decades.  The campaign of disinformation and celebrity supporters has muddied the understanding.  Likewise, the increased presence of homeopathy, naturopathy and similar “alternative” medical treatments has started leading parents to pursue these to treat their children’s ailments.  Playgroups, parenting boards, and other places where parents get together and talk about their kids are fertile ground for nonsense to spread.

The problem with stopping it by speaking up is that parenting advice, especially unsolicited and counter to what you think works, is one of the top annoyances of parents.  From all directions, parents (especially of young children) are bombarded with unsolicited advice and unwanted commentary on their parenting.  Adding to this irritating drone is not productive, even if you’re right

When different parenting styles come up in gatherings of parents and kids, people generally default to “We didn’t find that works for us” or “We do _____ instead and it seems to be working fine.”  Everyone agrees that “different strokes for different folks” is the way to go—or they tend not to get invited back.  This is a great approach for issues like how to get kids to sleep or potty training.  There is a huge range of methods that are legitimate and discussing them in a way that lets everyone present their own way as valid means information can be shared without anyone feeling like they’re hearing just another lecture on how to raise their kids.

However, with issues of parents using dangerous pseudoscience for medical treatments or as the basis of decisions about their children’s health, presenting it as a matter of point of view is dangerous.  It legitimizes the pseudoscience for the undecided, turns issues of fact in to issues of belief, and makes it harder to push strongly against the really dangerous missteps (for instance not vaccinating or taking children to chiropractors who practice on infants and young children).

To handle these situations without further entrenching those who disagree, as well as getting yourself kicked off the invite list, requires a different approach.  Firmly disagreeing without using opinion or point of view hedge words, but also not being insulting, is the first key step—especially important in cases where the person may not be fully aware of what they are advocating, such as when passing on something they’ve heard or sharing a link.

An example from Facebook: A high school friend of mine who is now a lactation consultant posted a link to a web site that was supposed to give advice on vaccination schedules and information on it.  However, instead of being a neutral source of information, when looked at in depth it was an anti-vaccine site.  A gentle reply of, “That looks a lot like an anti-vaccine site pretending to be neutral information.”  No judgment on her for posting it, but a simple statement of what was the case.  She removed the link.  I trusted that she wasn’t so misled about the core issue and had simply didn’t read the link in question closely enough.

The goal is not to avoid confrontation, so much as to get it started as a discussion instead of an argument.  If it becomes a matter of dueling wills, the chance to really persuade those involved has probably been lost.  Instead, the goal is to start it as a matter of sharing information.  While parents aren’t generally open to unsolicited advice, being time starved they are open to being told where to look for important information on childcare.  If a friend mentions they are getting a particular brand of stroller and you tell them where they can find recall notices on that brand and you remember hearing some of their strollers were recalled, they’ll be all over the link and grateful for it.

By mimicking that approach, you can get those on the fence to look at the facts.  If someone says they are looking to bring their child to a chiropractor, mentioning that you’ve read that it has no benefits and not insignificant risks (complete with links, such as http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/keep_chiropractors_away_from_children/) can get them looking at the facts.  Providing the direct links are key—not only does it remove the time burden, but consider that issues like chiropractors treating children have too many search engine results in favor thanks to the desperate attempts of chiropractors to legitimize their practices.

Firmly presenting actual information as a concerned friend, and pointing other parents directly to where that information can be found, helps keep you out of the nagging know-it all zone by staying within the accepted style of discussion of most diverse groups of parents.  It won’t work on everyone, but it will help stop it from being a simple “does to”/”does not” back and forth and will at least get sources of real information in to the hands of people who desperate need it, because they’re making decisions not just for themselves but for those who can’t decide for themselves yet.

 

Timothy Groth is a freelance writer and market researcher living in Toronto.  He and his wife have two sons that they intend to raise as free thinkers.

 

Want to see what others are saying about this? Check out these links:

 http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=homeopathy and

http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=naturopathy or

http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=chiropractic

http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=vaccination or

http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=vaccines or

http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=antivaccination

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Didn't you mean ...?
written by rosie, March 01, 2011
I think you have a typo in the fourth paragraph. You wrote "practice" where you should surely have said "prey".
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My Texas theory on this:
written by Donovan from New England, March 01, 2011
"The problem with stopping it by speaking up is that parenting advice, especially unsolicited and counter to what you think works, is one of the top annoyances of parents."

I know what you mean by this, and I agree with that, but I disagree with this statement. There are levels of unwelcome advice, lumped into categories. While scientific studies of child neurology or child psychology or child [anything that can be studied objectively] are regarded as F-bombs around parents, any feel-good-but-will-probably-put-your-child-in-danger story or I-heard-from-a-friend-slander-antiWalmart/Disney-scare story is like dropping a truck-full of liquor truffles into the room.

I don't know why, but I have a Texas hypothesis (outta-my-butt-guess). Studies are fact based and rely on sharing some piece of a study conducted by a well qualified expert. It's hard to add to that.

"Dr Smith of the University of Supersmartpeople spent 15 years studying 170,000 children and found no connection between..."

"Oh yeah? That reminds me of this lady who told me her friend's sister saw a mother who..."

It just doesn't work. Unless you understand the study (unfortunately, we don't have to go to school for a parent license so most parents won't understand the study) you can't further this conversation. Most parents don't even know how to find supporting or contradicting studies. Bringing a fact filled study into the conversation is saying "Look, we're all pretty much dumb-asses and the only reason we're parents is because we have enough skill to put tab a into slot b. Mice do what we've done. I'm less studpi than the rest of you and sought advice form an expert. Read it before you kill your baby from your own mental incompetence."

Hearing woo stories about Baby Einstein or gender-neutral car tires is different. All of these products and services are made for stupid people. The evidence is just a good tale, and unlike theories, everyone really does have a tale to tell. Even better, in this type of sharing, anyone can become an expert when they run out of stories and pull a Wakefield; just make shit up. Nobody is made to shut up or turn embarrassed for not having read a single reputable book to protect their child's life. Even the worst parent gets to share and be social.

I am cynical, I know. But I am afraid I see more bad parents than good and have a bias.
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More fallout from Wakefield
written by sibtrag, March 01, 2011
One of the biggest problem with trying to inject science into the discussion of vaccines is that one has to admit that one of the key arguments from the anti-pharma crowd is accurate in this case. A scientist lied about data for financial reasons. This doesn't hurt Science because the lack of reproducability will eventually reduce the impact of a bad study (either because of malice or bad procedure or bad luck or any number of honest errors) but for the public it diminishes the Faith people have in scientific results.
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One small note
written by dkreidler, March 01, 2011
I agree with just about every word here. I just want to add one anecdotal story for "the other side". yeah, I KNOW, but bear with me for a sec.)
When my daughter was born, everyone's best guess (doctors, mid-wife, etc) was that her water broke early, and she ended up dropping into the birth canal at a VERY wrong angle. So wrong that despite 36 hours of active labor, she never really progressed. We could literally see the top of her head for that entire time, and just NOTHING was happening. As we are slightly all-natural (but NOT woo-drunk idiots), we called off the home birth, transferred to a nearby hospital, and ended up with the c-section we were hoping to avoid by home-birthing the first place. Rotten non-existant karma! smilies/wink.gif
Here's where it gets interesting: My daughter had spent HOURS with her body weight crushing down on her neck at a screwed up angle, and even after the c-section, would SCREAM if you held her one way in your arms, but was fine the other way. This presented all sorts of issues during breast feeding, both for mommy and baby. We ended up going (at a good friend's suggestion) to their chiropractor (it hurts just typing that... I didn't KNOW back then!!), who, as it turns out, appears to NOT be a woo-merchant. Best guess is that he's a VERY GOOD unlicensed physical therapist (see the Skeptoid podcast on Chiropractic). He was a miracle worker. In the office, he could make my daughter comfortable on both sides, using very gentle and non-invasive techniques. True, they would fade a bit over time, but after only a few visits, she was fine. If she didn't get better *instantly* in the office, I would think it was just time, but there was definite and immediate improvement, and you can't tell me that a 2-3 week old is all that susceptible to the placebo effect!
Long story short: I'm NOT advocating chiropractic for infants. However, given the current overlap between the worlds of woo-chiropractic and physical therapy, just because someone went to "school" in the mall, doesn't mean he can't help. Just watch out that he doesn't start spouting shit about energy fields, or whatever the hell chiropractic is supposed to be based on! smilies/smiley.gif
PS. We know we got lucky. Those "good friends" whom we are still friends with, also believe wholeheartedly in homeopathy, naturopathy, and buying everything in sight at Whole Foods. We don't take much of their advice any more. But I'm personally really glad we did, if only for my daughter's sake. Caveat Emptor, and Your Mileage May Vary.
Cheers!
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written by addams013, March 01, 2011
dkreidler: you can't tell me that a 2-3 week old is all that susceptible to the placebo effect!

Well, I can't say it was definitely in play. But in the spirit of healthy skepticism, we know that conditioning can produce an effect very like the placebo effect, even in pets. Some even think that the placebo effect exists in animals (McMillan, Franklin D. "The placebo effect in animals." J Am Vet Med Assoc 1999; 215, No. 7:992–999). Soothing touch even has an effect. It seems difficult to rule out everything and determine definitively that some kind of genuine healing/therapy took place.

On the other hand, maybe it did. -=shrug=-
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written by MadScientist, March 01, 2011
I tried that but it didn't work well for me ...
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typos for real...
written by keeyop, March 02, 2011
1) "...and had simply didn’t read the link in question closely..." Ooh, ironical smilies/wink.gif To delete the had or "not" the didn't? That's the question.

2) "does to"/... Does it not need changing, too?

Thanks for the writings. Softer tactics are often more effective. Too often I forget this.


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Who decides?
written by Captain Al, March 02, 2011
dkreidler: you can't tell me that a 2-3 week old is all that susceptible to the placebo effect!

You're right, but a parent deciding if a treatment is working certainly can. It's the same with animals. A human usually makes the final determination if the animal shows improvement. If this person really believes Treatment X is effective, they may see things that aren't really there.
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we can do somenthing
written by Astral, March 02, 2011
People! WE CAN DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF STAY HERE AND MAKE STUPIDS COMMENTS. DO YOU AGREE ??
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let parents decide what is best for their children, Lowly rated comment [Show]
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written by Bea, March 04, 2011
From a recent article regarding the deadly medical experiments done on prisoners and mental patients.


"A federally funded study begun in 1942 injected experimental flu vaccine in male patients at a state insane asylum in Ypsilanti, Mich., then exposed them to flu several months later. It was co-authored by Dr. Jonas Salk, who a decade later would become famous as inventor of the polio vaccine."
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