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Jenny McCarthy's Trouble With Facts PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Leart Shaka   
Saturday, 26 March 2011 00:00

In a Huffington Post article titled “In the Vaccine-Autism Debate, What Can Parents Believe?”, Jenny McCarthy, in a reaction to the damning British Medical Journal (BMJ) expose of wrongdoings on the part of disgraced British researcher Andrew Wakefield, unsurprisingly jumps to his defense, and in the course manages to, again unsurprisingly, misrepresent some basic facts about this issue. McCarthy doesn’t seem to care much about the facts; for example, she still maintains that there is antifreeze in vaccines, a claim which has been definitely shown to be untrue, and yet she has not retracted it. This is the problem with arguing via talking points: the person who relies on them instead of research becomes immune to the facts.

So, what does McCarthy get wrong in her valiant defense of Wakefield? She starts her article with this:

Last week, parents were told a British researcher's 1998 report linking the MMR shot to autism was fraudulent -- that this debate about vaccines and autism is now over, and parents should no longer worry about giving their children six vaccines at a single pediatric appointment or 36 by the time they are five years old.

The BMJ series, titled Secrets of the MMR Scare (scroll all the way to the bottom for parts 2 and 3 of the series) did not concern itself at all with the number of doses of vaccines a typical 5 year-old would receive if following the recommended US schedule. The series was written by Brian Deer, a British investigative journalist, and its focus was on Andrew Wakefield, his paper, actions, and undisclosed conflicts of interest. It did not make any pronouncements on the vaccines-autism manufactroversy.

Regarding the number of vaccines: based on the 2011 US recommended vaccine schedule, it is technically correct that a child might get up to 6 doses of vaccines at a single appointment, more specifically at the 2 months appointment, assuming that the second dose of HepB, which can be given at any time during the first 2 months of life, hasn’t been administered at a prior doctor’s appointment. On the other hand, I cannot be sure if that is what McCarthy is referring to, or if she is committing the same mistake Age of Autism made, which prompted me to teach them to count to three.

The number 36 is fairly close, but it refers to 0-6 years of age, not 0-5, a minor error which isn’t too consequential. However, since we’re being technical, depending on which vaccines are being used against Rotavirus and Hib, two less doses can be administered, thus bringing the number down to 34 during the first 6 years, or 33 in the first 5.

Regardless of the accuracy of the numbers, how bad is it for a baby to receive up to 6 vaccines in one visit, or 36 over 6 years? Studies suggest that a child’s stress hormone levels peak after the first shot, and receiving more than one shot in a single pediatric appointment does not increase stress levels, so spacing out the shots can expose the child to increased amounts of stress. The study’s authors concluded as such:

The comparison in stress response between infants receiving one as opposed to two inoculations was made possible by the recent change in pediatric immunization practice. The present findings indicated that 2- and 6-month-old infants were no more likely stressed by two inoculations than by one.

Furthermore, studies also show that deviating from the recommended US schedule, by spacing vaccines out, has no benefits. Lastly it has been estimated that the human immune system could respond to as many as 105 vaccines (“Vaccines”, Plotkin, Orenstein, Offit, 4th Edition, pages 1636-1637), although no one is suggesting 100,000 needles in one visit; that would put to shame even the most ambitious acupuncturist.

Six doses at one time might be uncomfortable for a parent to witness, but considering the evidence provided in the above paragraphs, there is no reason to believe that they would have an adverse effect on a child’s health.  “Too many, too soon” is a cute slogan, but ultimately it is meaningless and not based on science. Spacing out the vaccines is a loose-loose scenario from the child’s health perspective: it would provide no benefits, but it would leave her unprotected from potential diseases for longer periods of time, thus leaving her vulnerable to all the negative effects that catching one of these preventable diseases can have.

Jenny continues:

Is that the whole story? Dr. Andrew Wakefield's study of 12 children with autism actually looked at bowel disease, not vaccines. The study's conclusion stated, "We did not prove an association between measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described [autism]."

Of course the study didn’t prove the association; one study can never prove anything.  Even if Wakefield’s study had been carried out properly, and even if the observations were accurate, and he had found a real temporal association between the MMR vaccine and autism in the 8 children, he still couldn’t conclude that they proved an association between the MMR and autism. Not one reputable scientific study published in a reputable journal will, or should, ever conclude with the words “we have proven…”

However, he did hint at a possible connection. In the press conference announcing the study, Wakefield said: “Vaccination should continue, but it will put children at no further risk if it is dissociated into three," as reported by The Independent on 02/27/1998.  Interesting suggestion, given that Wakefield’s study did not look at the single shots at all. One might wonder: on what basis did Wakefield make that statement?

Wakefield’s anti-MMR stance comes out quite clearly in this transcript of a 20 minute video about the paper released by the hospital he was working for at the time.

INTERVIEWER: So you're saying that a parent should still ensure that their child is inoculated but perhaps not with the MMR combined vaccine?

 

DR ANDREW WAKEFIELD: Again, this was very contentious and you would not get consensus from all members of the group on this, but that is my feeling, that the, the risk of this particular syndrome developing is related to the combined vaccine, the MMR, rather than the single vaccines.

 

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WAKEFIELD: And I have to say that there is sufficient anxiety in my own mind of the safety, the long term safety of the polyvalent, that is the MMR vaccination in combination, that I think that it should be suspended in favour of the single vaccines, that is continued use of the individual measles, mumps and rubella components.

Furthermore, in a recent interview with George Stephanopoulos (skip to the 2:30 min mark) George asks Wakefield point blank: …You said at the press conference that you would not recommend, you told people not to get the MMR vaccine based on what you had found, none of the other doctors would go that far and you manufactured a scare at a time when you were in a position to profit from it….. In his reply Wakefield not once denies having recommended parents not to give their children the MMR vaccine. He denies having manufactured the scare, but does not deny that he spoke against the vaccine, based on his “study” which according to McCarthy did not look at the MMR vaccine.

Lastly, here is the full last paragraph of the 1998 Wakefield paper (emphasis added):

We have identified a chronic enterocolitis in children that may be related to neuropsychiatric dysfunction. In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation. Further investigations are needed to examine this syndrome and its possible relation to this vaccine.

Clearly, contrary to what McCarthy claims, the MMR vaccine was something the study looked at, and Wakefield took every chance speak against it. Jenny’s claim that the study “looked at bowel disease, not vaccines” is demonstrably wrong.

Time to hint at a conspiracy:

Since when is repeating the words of parents and recommending further investigation a crime? As I've learned, the answer is whenever someone questions the safety of any vaccines.

Or, whenever someone makes stuff up and tries to pass it on as legitimate science. Wakefield is making the case about his innocence through a book, which needs not to be plugged on this website, and on TV. That’s weird given that if what Wakefield is saying is true, and if Brian Deer is in fact a “hit man” who is making false accusations towards him, filing, and winning, a libel suit against both Deer and the BMJ should be a walk in the park given the horrendous UK libel laws. In fact, Brian Deer openly challenged Wakefield to do just that, in his interview with Anderson Cooper. If Wakefield is being honest, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain, and proving that Deer is falsely accusing him should be extremely easy. The ball is clearly in Wakefield’s court.

As an aside, repeating the words of parents is not how science is done; science uses anecdotes as a starting point to coin hypotheses, and that’s where the relationship ends. Anti-vaxxers cannot have it both ways: either Wakefield was only repeating parent’s words, or he was doing a proper scientific investigation of the parent’s concerns.

Next, McCarthy completes the circle: after the incorrect factual statements, and the hint to conspiracy, comes the irate-mom-who-won’t-take-no-for-an-answer act:

I know children regress after vaccination because it happened to my own son. Why aren't there any tests out there on the safety of how vaccines are administered in the real world, six at a time? Why have only 2 of the 36 shots our kids receive been looked at for their relationship to autism? Why hasn't anyone ever studied completely non-vaccinated children to understand their autism rate?

Please pay special attention to this paragraph. This seems to be the new direction the anti-vaccination movement is moving in, the new position of the goal post. What is so great about this line of thinking however is that it proves what we in the pro-health camp have known for a while: the anti-vaccine proponents know vaccines cause autism. No amount of contradictory evidence will ever be enough, because they will always fantasize something else about vaccines that they can demand to be studied, but that is OK. Our educational efforts are not aimed at the McCarthys, or Meryl Doreys, of the world, but to the parents who are on the fence and about to make a very important decision about their children’s health. We fight for them, and even more importantly for their children, which is why correcting the anti-vaccination misinformation is of paramount importance to the pro-health community

In the title of her article, McCarthy asks what can parents believe, and while we might disagree on the answer to that question, the answer to another has been partially revealed. That other question is “who can parents believe”, and the answer in part reads: not Jenny McCarthy.

 

Leart Shaka is a NYC based skeptic, who is focusing his skeptical efforts in countering anti-vaccine misinformation. He is the creator, and Editor-In-Chief, of The Vaccine Times, a quarterly pro-health publication, for parents, by parents, and runs the Vaccine Times website and blog. He can be found on Twitter as @Skepdude and @VaccineTimes.
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Could not have said it better myself, Lowly rated comment [Show]
Bea, what the hell are you talking about?
written by skepticnj, March 27, 2011
Does "little disease bombs" refer to the vaccines that demonstrably lower death rates?
The only way to make sense of what you say is to believe in a conspiracy by 99% of the scientific/medical community. There really are experts in this world; do we just ignore them?
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When those experts, Lowly rated comment [Show]
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written by marineboy, March 27, 2011
Either Bea is demonstrating a variation of Poe's Law or she is demonstrating the point the article is making.
Either way,if we all keep very quiet, maybe she'll think we're out.
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written by adering, March 27, 2011
Although I can accept -- mainly because it is part of the historical record -- that the government has experimented on people in the past without their permission or knowledge, and I can even accept the notion that it could be going on today, you really have to stop cherrypicking. What you're doing is the old correlation/causation thing.

Before vaccines, people died from diseases. Pneumonia used to be called the old person's friend because it killed relatively quickly and relatively painlessly. You didn't linger for months with pneumonia. And people used to drop dead from heart attacks (a side note: I see Sylvia Browne just had a heart attack, the press release from her organization has it sounding like she's at death's door. I suspect she will make a nearly full recovery and then claim the angels cured her, but I digress).

Heart attacks, pneumonia, strokes, things like that, killed you dead. You didn't recover. You didn't have therapies or surgical interventions. So of course there are new diseases! They were always there, it's just that so few people survived the big killers to get to them that no one was aware of them. Look up when the first case of Alzheimer's was diagnosed. Before Alzheimer described the syndrome, it had probably been around for centuries as a subset of plain old senility.

I'm in my 40s. I clearly recall seeing people in their 60s when I was a boy. And those people were OLD. They looked like hell. People retired and were dead about two years later. 40 to 50 years of manual labor will ruin a body just as surely as sitting in a cubicle all day for the same period will. People died earlier and faster 35 years ago. A heart attack? When I was a kid surviving a heart attack usually meant you survived long enough to say goodbye in the hospital with the family members who were close enough to get there within an hour, not 15 years later from something else.

Contrails? Bea, wouldn't it make more sense to spread the secret government poisons or whatever you think is going on at 30,000 feet (other than water crystallization) by a less-obvious method? Why not just disperse it as a colorless cloud in a subway? Or pump it out of a shopping mall ventilation system? You see, that's the big problem I've got with so much of the woo-woo. How do you control the dispersal of something from 30,000 feet? You can't. You have no idea who is actually being exposed to it. Some people are indoors, some are not. You wouldn't be able to sort out who was manifesting an effect to the exposure and who was simply having something happen for another reason.

Sorry, Bea, but you simply aren't applying commonsense.
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written by Matt_D, March 27, 2011
What exactly is a loose-loose scenario?
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written by Matt_D, March 27, 2011
Also, is Bea a troll or a crazy person? I can't tell.
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I'm just someone who is actually a critical thinker, Lowly rated comment [Show]
Bea, winner of the Jody award.
written by Karl_Withakay, March 28, 2011
One of my all time favorite comments in any blog ever:

“And the moral we learn from that last comment, Boys and Girls, is that if you can’t win an argument on its merits, take a $h!+ on the desk and leave.”

-Someone named Jody in a thread on skeptico.
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I'm not trying to win an argument, Lowly rated comment [Show]
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written by Leart Shaka, March 28, 2011
Matt,

That was meant to say "lose-lose" and I didn't catch it on time. I blame it on ESL, Microsoft Word, the alignemnt of the planets and some big conspiracy to keep the non-native english speaking bloggers down....anything but me. smilies/grin.gif
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The real reason I am here and this is the truth, Lowly rated comment [Show]
loose-loose??
written by headkick, March 28, 2011
Not to nit, but while "loose-loose" may describe Ms. McCarthy's morals and screws the term you're looking for is lose-lose. smilies/smiley.gif
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written by insomicman, March 28, 2011
@Karl_Withakay - LIKE A BOSS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c

Sorry - that immediately popped into my head after reading the quote. smilies/tongue.gif
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written by insomicman, March 28, 2011
P.S. I love the way Bea describes Carlin as a close personal friend, as well as Johnny Carson, who assigned her with the task to keep an eye on Randi. Fantasy prone personality, anyone?

I realize this is a bit of an ad hominem comment, but I never claimed my comments here were of any substance. Bea, point me in the direction of your dealer, 'cause whatever you're on, I need it.
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They became my friends posthumously
written by Bea, March 29, 2011
Dead people particularly famous ones guide me to their loved ones both friends and family. Johnny Carson to Dick Clark and George to his daughter and the list goes on.

George was a major skeptic and so was Johnny but they are alive and well . . . more like blissed out of their minds on the other side. They don't have too many people they can talk to that are as telepathic as I am.

I prefer the dead to the living quite honestly. They are a lot happier. smilies/cool.gif
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Reality check
written by Bea, April 02, 2011
Hello everyone,

How about a dose of truth from someone who knows!!




It's been a long time since we've taken a look
at the pharmaceutical industry.

That's a mistake because in the US and other places
where drug makers have been allowed to run amok,
these criminals impact - and ruin - millions of lives.

Over 100,000 people die in the US alone from taking
drugs as prescribed to them by their doctors and that doesn't
count those who are disabled by and/or made permanently
dependent on them.

The worst evil? I

God knows there's a lot of competition for that category,
but selling poison to vulnerable people at bankrupting prices
who've put their faith in you to help them has to rank at or
at least near the top.

Here's an ex-pharmaceutical rep explaining how the
business works and what its true goals are.

Hint: The goal is not to make you better.



http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1065.html
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More Medical Science facts . . . not fiction
written by Bea, April 07, 2011
Misuse of antibiotics has led to a global health threat: the rise of dangerous—or even fatal—superbugs. Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) is now attacking both patients in hospitals and also in the community and a deadly new multi-drug resistant bacteria called carbapenem-resistant Klebsiella pneumoniae, or CRKP is now in the headlines. Last year, antibiotic resistant infections killed 25,000 people in Europe, the Guardian reports.

Unless steps are taken to address this crisis, the cures doctors have counted on to battle bacteria will soon be useless. CRKP has now been reported in 36 US states—and health officials suspect that it may also be triggering infections in the other 14 states where reporting isn’t required. High rates have been found in long-term care facilities in Los Angeles County, where the superbug was previously believed to be rare, according to a study presented earlier this month. CRKP is even scarier than MRSA because the new superbug is resistant to almost all antibiotics, while a few types of antibiotics still work on MRSA. Who’s at risk for superbugs—and what can you do to protect yourself and family members? Here’s a guide to these dangerous bacteria.

Understanding different types of bacteria.

What is antibiotic resistance? Almost every type of bacteria has evolved and mutated to become less and less responsive to common antibiotics, largely due to overuse of these medications. Because superbugs are resistant to these drugs, they can quickly spread in hospitals and the community, causing infections that are hard or even impossible to cure. Doctors are forced to turn to more expensive and sometimes more toxic drugs of last resort. The problem is that every time antibiotics are used, some bacteria survive, giving rise to dangerous new strains like MRSA and CRKP, the CDC reports.

What are CRKP and MRSA? Klebseiella is a common type of gram-negative bacteria that are found in our intestines (where the bugs don’t cause disease). The CRKP strain is resistant to almost all antibiotics, including carbapenems, the so-called “antibiotics of last resort.” MRSA (methacillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus) is a type of bacteria that live on the skin and can burrow deep into the body if someone has cuts or wounds, including those from surgery.

Who is at risk? CRKP and MRSA infects patients, usually the elderly—who are already ill and living in long-term healthcare facilities, such as nursing homes. People who are on ventilators, require IVs, or have undergone prolonged treatment with certain antibiotics face the greatest threat of CRKP infection. Healthy people are at very low risk for CRKP. There are 2 types of MRSA, a form that affects hospital patients, with similar risk factors to CRKP, and another even more frightening strain found in communities, attacking people of all ages who have not been in medical facilities, including athletes, weekend warriors who use locker rooms, kids in daycare centers, soldiers, and people who get tattoos. Nearly 500,000 people a year are hospitalized with MRSA.

Keeping hospital patients safe.

How likely is it to be fatal? In earlier outbreaks, 35 percent of CRKP-infected patients died, Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported in 2008. The death rate among those affected by the current outbreak isn’t yet known. About 19,000 deaths a year are linked to MRSA in the US and rates of the disease has rise 10-fold, with most infections found in the community.

How does it spread? Both MRSA and CRKP are mainly transmitted by person-to-person contact, such as the infected hands of a healthcare provider. They can enter the lungs through a ventilator, causing pneumonia, the bloodstream through an IV catheter, causing bloodstream infection (sepsis), or the urinary tract through a catheter, causing a urinary tract infection. Both can also cause surgical wounds to become infected. MRSA can also be spread in contact with infected items, such as sharing razors, clothing, and sports equipment. These superbugs are not spread through the air.

What are the symptoms? Since CRKP presents itself as a variety of illnesses, most commonly pneumonia, meningitis, urinary tract infections, wound (or surgical site) infections and blood infections, symptoms reflect those illnesses, most often pneumonia. MRSA typically causes boils and abscesses that resemble infected bug bites, but can also present as pneumonia or flu-like symptoms.

How are superbugs related? The only drug that still works against the CRKP is colistin, a toxic antibiotic that can damage the kidneys. Several drugs, such as vancomycin, may still work against MRSA.

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