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Written by James Randi   

Gee, I sometimes feel sorry for you folks out there who don’t get the sort of exciting mail that I do. I heard from one of the thousands of deluded folks who reach out trying to convince me that they’re in touch with the future, can receive messages from Heaven – or Hell – and by mystical means have knowledge of the unknown. If so, they provide sufficiently fuzzy descriptions that I have to wonder if the have found the focus button on their brains.  Saint Paul – who came to a bad end, we’re told -- referred in one of his letters to the church in Corinth [1 Corinthians 13, 12] to “seeing through a glass darkly,” and I’d no idea that his glass was quite that dark. Someone referring to herself as “Kathleen R” – another suitably vague reference – has sent me this profound communication:

Hello, I am a psychic and am getting messages for Mr. Randi. They are as follows: The country song Golden Rings, country singers George Jones and Tammy Wynette, the colors blue and white, television shows Family Guy and King Of The Hill, a coal miner's hat or helmet of black color, and Elvis Presley. I am passing these to him as they are coming to me as symbols of his life. Please send this to him.  Thank you, Kathleen R.

Okay, let me carefully review this information. First, my interest in country music is almost homeopathic in depth. I’ve no notion who George Jones is, though the name Tammy Wynette is familiar to me. I’m pretty sure that I’ve never heard “Golden Rings” in my life. I admit that I’ve had contact with both blue and white, and I’ve seen “Family Guy” and “King of the Hill,” a few times. I have two black hats, but no helmet or any color, nor am I close to any coal miner… Elvis is very dead, I’m really sure, but is of no significance in my life. Never met him. How these can be “symbols of [my] life,” I cannot fathom…

But Kathleen knows just what she’s doing, folks. Those 38 emphasized words have so many permutations and combinations, so many possible applications, such a variety of pictures, actions, and images, that some of them have to apply – somehow – to me, my life, my future, or my past. If anything – anything at all – in either of the TV shows suggests, names, refers to, or infers any connection with me or my work, Kathleen has something she can crow about as a success. Any of the lyrics of “Golden Rings” or mention of Chicago, a wedding, or a pawn shop, is a “hit.” If Jones or Wynette make the news, that was a message for me. Any blue/white combo scores, too. Coal mining or a helmet of any sort becomes significant, and any blue suede shoes or a guitar will satisfy the Elvis requirement.

Kathleen R. just can’t lose, right? And be very sure that if there’s any way she can make any connection, she will… See? Being “a psychic” isn’t all that hard to do, as Kathy found out long ago…!

 
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written by I Ratant, April 21, 2011
Good thing there's no uncertainties or potentials for misinterpreting those signs and portents!
Seeing them all laid out so succinctly certainly soothes my qualms about the problems of living.
I used to believe in Robin Hood and brotherhood and the colors of green and grey, but my eyes have been opened!
Hallagoddamnluia.
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written by JWideman, April 21, 2011
My wife is a country music fan, knows a great deal of trivia about both George Jones and Tammy Wynette, blue and white is the blue pencil upon white paper which a comic book art fan like me is quite familiar with, I love Family Guy and King of the Hill, I have black hair and once got a lousy haircut that resembled a haircut, and my mom was an Elvis Presley fan.
Further, I have a shaggy white beard, an interest in sleight of hand magic, and consider myself a skeptic. Obviously she just got us mixed up.
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written by Monkey Man, April 21, 2011
I used to be one of those people emailing you Randi! I finally stopped channeling the spirits cause of you! And my emails to you were far crazier! smilies/cheesy.gif Yes my friends, there is hope for the afflicted.
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written by Willy K, April 21, 2011
The country song Golden Rings, country singers George Jones and Tammy Wynette, the colors blue and white, television shows Family Guy and King Of The Hill, a coal miner's hat or helmet of black color, and Elvis Presley.


Randi, don't doubt the Kathi, she is almost completely correct! There are just a few minor changes.
#1 95% Score - It is a Christmas, not a country song. "The Twelve Days of Christmas" the line "Five GOLDEN RINGS!" Kathi knows that you've heard this song and probably even sang when you were a youth.
#2 100% Scores on the following:
a) You live on the same planet as George Jones, Tammy Wynette and Elvis Presley.
b) Look up, did you ever see a blue sky and white clouds? Right again Kath!
c) The television shows Family Guy and King Of The Hill are real. Still a doubter?
d) Of course coal miners can wear blue/black hats/helmets.

Randi, I'm afraid we are going to have to brand you with that shameful word... SKEPTIC! smilies/wink.gif
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written by lytrigian, April 21, 2011
How about letting me channel Johnny Carson for you?

Better yet, Harry Houdini. If there's any dead celebrity who would be doing his level best to communicate with the living, it's him. He even said he would. So it should be easy, right?

On the other hand, I'd love to hear Carson deliver one of his monologues on current events, and I'm sure I'd recognize his humor as soon as I heard it.

Now, what do we make of this ever-so-clear communication from The Other Side (of sanity)?

OK, let's see... Tammy Wynette was, according to Wikipedia, the "First Lady of Country Music". George Jones was her husband for a time, and so in a sense was the President of Country Music. "Golden Ring" is a song they recorded together about a wedding ring, so it must be the fact of their marriage we must focus on, reinforcing the Chief Executive image. Kathleen also mentioned "King of the Hill", and Elvis is The King. So clearly there's some kind of royal connection here. If nothing else, we can surmise that Randi lives in a white house.

Blue and white are the colors of the flag of Israel and Greece and Scotland and Finland and San Marino and Paraguay and Somalia and the UN. HOWEVER (now watch carefully) the only one of those that shares the same latitude as any portion of Randi's current state of Florida is Israel. Clearly, therefore, those colors refer to Uri Geller.

Putting these together, it is in exposing Uri Geller that James Randi was recognized as the chief, the leader, the metaphorical king if you will, of the skeptic community.

"Family Guy" clearly means that Randi is gay, which I am sure will come as a shock to all of us. Why? About the only connection Google gives us between the two is a post by a commentator identified only as "ScrewAtheism" on this article where Randi's announcement of his homosexuality is described as "one of those [F]amily [G]uy moments". What could be more obvious?

The coal miner's helmet must be black because this refers to an event in the future, and as the future is uncertain it is a color that is really the total lack of color. At the risk of an overly-literal interpretation, Randi should beware of falling objects in a dark room.

There. I pulled all that straight out of my ass, so it must be true.
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Really? You don't get it?
written by Nxr, April 21, 2011
I'm surprised at you! Surely after all these years you should finally be able to recognise a true psychic in your midst! I mean honestly, Mr Randi...it's all so clear. I'd like to add, as a psychic myself, that I also picked up some waftings from the universe which specifically apply to you (I've just decided). They are: an unmade bed, the spirit of Don Lane apologising for throwing water on you, Doris Stokes offering you a hanky, a five blade razor, two apples (one Granny Smith and one Fuji), the ribbon from an Olivetti typewriter, a fart in a jar and, wait...this one's a bit cloudy...no, that's the fart in a jar, aaaand...no...it's gone.

But I think you know what that all means. Happy Chocolate!
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Here's another 'cold guess'
written by screnwriter, April 21, 2011
Back in the 90's sometime (don't remember clearly) someone launched an afternoon talk show that included paranormal phenomenon. I was a paid extra in the "studio audience" (so much for audiences being made up of interested people), and sat thru two tapings of the show. One featured a 'talking to the dead' guy, who proclaimed that he could "feel Charles Laughton's spirit" in the room. Of course this was Hollywood. I'd have loved to have seen the guy taken blindfolded around the country with no idea what city, state or even time zone he was in, to see what spirits he could conjure. I wanted to ask him "What, exactly, does Charles Laughton's spirit feel like?" Mightn't it have been John Belushi, or John Candy or some other fat, dead actor? Maybe it was Laird Cregar (most of you will have to look him up) whom the 'psychic' was detecting.

Of course all these 'connections' beg the following questions:

1. How do you feel things? Do you just get a thought in your head? Mightn't that just be daydreaming?
2. How do you know the ghost your channeling isn't currently appearing at a seance in Schenectady?
3. Since you never knew the deceased in life, how should they know you in death? And why?
4. How can you so quickly detect a particular spirit? How can you discern them from the billions of human lives that have come and gone in our planet's history?
5. Regarding the above - what about the majority of the deceased who don't speak English?
6. Regarding the above - if you're going to say that everyone speaks English in heaven, let's get the ground rules outta the way right now: heaven ain't the FAA, requiring all the world's airline pilots to speak English, and the concept of heaven predated the English language by about a millennium, so in all likelihood, they speak Greek, Hebrew or perhaps Aramaic there.
7. Why are all the deceased dying to come back (sorry, couldn't help myself on that one) and tell good things? What about the angry dead who want to come back and chew out their family members? When's the last time a (paid) spiritualist said to someone, "Your Uncle Harry is in the room and he says to tell you you're a sniveling little money-grubbing guttersnipe and he's never forgiven you for having him put away in that rest home!"
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twice as nice @ half the price
written by violinner, April 21, 2011
Why look for channeling when we have Mozart, Beetoven, Brahms.
All it takes is listening and a willingvness to learn about ourselves.
Guaranteed magic.
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written by Caller X, April 21, 2011
This lady is fiendishly clever. The song of course is "Golden Ring" not "Golden Rings" but communication with the other realms isn't perfect. George Jones and Tammy Wynette are older than dirt, just like Randi. Blue and white, as someone else pointed out, refers to Randi's nemesis Geller. Family Guy of course has the character Herbert and Stewie did once do Art Metrano's magic act in an episode mocking Jesus. King of the Hill was a miss; no psychic is perfect. Mr. Randi, are you sure you've never handled a black helmet of any sort? Elvis, of course, didn't like fish, according to onetime companion Cybill Shepherd. She was on a network talkshow and had to adhere to broadcast standards.

I would say this lady nailed it.
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I'm getting something...
written by jalfarmer, April 21, 2011
“Hello, I am a psychic and am getting messages for Mr. Randi.”

Just as I have always wondered why anyone’s dead relatives would “talk” to total strangers like John Edward or James Van Praggh and not directly to their loved ones, I also have to wonder why this Kathleen person was singled out specifically to receive messages FOR Mr. Randi. If they are in fact for Mr. Randi why weren’t they directed at him personally? Oh, that’s right; Mr. Randi doesn’t claim to be a psychic! That’s got to be it.

Honestly, how do seemingly random references to vagaries like these qualify as messages? Apparently it is up to Mr. Randi to interpret them for himself, which he did with negative results. Go figure!

Oh, wait! I’m getting something here. My spirit guide, Fladnag, has just informed me that someone going by the name “Goddess” is trying to contact the ethereal spirit of Johnny Carson in an effort to exploit the very well known history and relationship between him and James Randi to make it appear that Johnny Carson is being “channeled.” A moment, I’m getting something else; Fladnag also says that anyone with a little imagination and due diligence could accomplish the same thing and maybe call it “tunneling” instead.

Alan
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written by lytrigian, April 21, 2011
On the contrary. I'd love to hear it, if you can provide something that convinces me it's real.

For myself, I admit I was being flippant earlier. I'm actually not interested in either Houdini's or Carson's posthumous insights. However: If you can channel my paternal grandmother and tell me something I know for sure came from her, something personal she would remember -- not the kind of generalities and guesswork we hear from John Edwards and his ilk -- then you might change my mind.
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written by jalfarmer, April 21, 2011
“I want to provide valid answers from someone with 20 years communicating with spirit . . . but you don't want to hear them.”

How exactly do you claim to be able to communicate with “spirit”, Goddess? John Edward claimed to communicate with “spirit” on his SciFi show “Crossing Over.“ His technique was to pepper the audience with questions until he got a “hit.” He usually started by saying he was getting a letter like M, then would ask if the letter M meant anything to anyone in the audience, usually a name like Mike or Mary would come up and he would zero in and ask more questions. It used to take 6 to 8 hours to make a one half hour program. His hit to miss ratio was documented to usually be less than 20%. His critics, many of them professional magicians and mentalists, accuse him of cold, warm, and hot reading. He denies it, of course, and insists his abilities are genuine. He refuses to take tests. South Park did an entire episode on him entitled “The Biggest Douche in the Universe.” I’ve heard of John Edward and watched his show. I am convinced he is probably a fraud and a liar. I have no idea who you are, Goddess (Beatrice Marot?) yet you expect me to just roll over and play dead when you claim you can “channel” Johnny Carson?

So, what is your technique, Goddess? If you are going to convince a bunch of skeptics who will examine and pick apart everything you claim and say was communicated to you by “spirits” in order to figure out if there is any validity to it you will have to do a lot better than John Edward ever did on national TV. Your outrageous claim to be able to “channel” Johnny Carson will have to be supported by equally outrageous evidence. No small feat on the internet in the middle of a site set up for and run by skeptics and free thinkers. A feat you are apparently not up to since you opted to run away instead. This does not bode well for your credibility in the skeptic realm. I await your reply, if any.

Alan
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written by ianmacm, April 21, 2011
It is possible that the e-mail from "Kathleen R" was trolling or a hoax, but judging by the number of people who really believe this sort of thing, it seems unlikely. Vague guess lists are as old as the hills, and show a lack of critical thinking about why they are a fallacy. Wikipedia has a good article about cold reading, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading , perhaps Kathleen R should be referred to it smilies/wink.gif
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written by GrahamZ, April 21, 2011
Considering how foggy the message appears to be, how can she even be certain who it was addressed to? Hell, I get the wrong mail all the time and the addresses on those wrongly delivered messages aren't half as confusing as this one appears to be. I'd say to write "return to sender", only where do you return a message from the future?
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written by GusGus, April 22, 2011
Well, I'm convinced, Randi. I guess you'll just have to send Kathleen R. the million dollars!
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written by angrypanda, April 22, 2011
This message was actually for James Randy, of Rhode Island.

Bad carriers create dropped calls, you understand.
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One of the worst offenders of Psychic Chicanery
written by goddess, April 22, 2011
is Chip Coffey who deservedly received a Pigasus Award from Mr. Randi. Chip epitomizes everything that is wrong with "bad psychics" people like Sylvia Brown who could care less about people and just want to make as much money as possible. But adults can do what they want. When it comes to manipulating and exploiting children that is where I draw the line.

I posted a link to a "Psychic Kids" facebook page run by a woman named Sandra Lynn Sparks. She and another woman named Michelle Barbiarz Griffin lure kids and Chip fans to an off-facebook site where they are then sold all kinds of nonsense as well as tickets to his events. It is basically a promotional page for Chip disguised as a fan page.

Anything derogatory about the show is quickly taken down so you only have gushing fans and no dissenters.

Chip and I got into it this morning and then I was banned and all of my posts deleted but Chip’s version was kept up. He did not know that I could see what he was writing and I was responding with the truth until the site monitor Sandra was able to block me. And remember, I don’t believe in hell or Satan at all.


ChipCoffeyBeatrice (Bea) Marot just posted this about me: "I will pursue you to the gates of hell where Satan will be waiting for you." I ask everyone this: Does this sound like something a sane, rational person would say? Or the ranting of a vindictive, evil, perhaps mentally unstable, human being?

What I actually wrote was:

Bea Marot Chip Coffey you are a liar and until you tell the truth of how the nano second that I became number one in our category, you lost your freakin mind and recruited people to call me and leave negative feedback on purpose . . . I will pursue you to the gates of hell where Satan will be waiting for you.

Another distortion from Chip,

ChipCoffey"Beatrice neglected to mention that the way she achieved the #1 spot in a Keen category was by UNDERCUTTING many other advisors' per-minute rate. The truth is this: She was kicked off that psychic site (Keen) for habitually disobeying the rules, after REPEATED warnings to stop harassing others...just as she has been chronically pursuing and harassing me since 2003."


My response was

Bea Marot Like I said, I don't do what I do for money or fame. I charged $1.00 per minute whereas Chip charged $3.99 like most psychics on the line. It allowed me to lovingly help people and not take them to the cleaners.

Chip's version of my motive:


She also writes: "I charged $1.00 per minute whereas C...hip charged $3.99 like most psychics on the line." And with HER OWN WORDS, she confirms that she UNDERCUT other advisors' rates. And, with good reason, this did not set well with other advisors on Keen, who had to lower their own rates in order to "compete" with Beatrice.

https://www.facebook.com/psychickids

It is Good Friday and I needed a good laugh.

Bea Marot
It's real simple Chip Coffey. . . Tell the TRUTH!! For once in your life, tell the truth and I will totally forgive you. Be a man! Set an example. You got jealous and you made a very poor judgment and caused a friend who did nothing but care about you a lot of pain. Admit it and all will be well. Otherwise I will be haunting you and you will never know when I will show up and say, "BOO!" smilies/shocked.gif

I posted this here for the simple reason that I would love for an alert to be sounded and a 100 skeptics just let this page have it. It is such bullshit this show and it needs to be taken out!
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I don't believe in coincidences
written by goddess, April 22, 2011
And Mr. Randi does not usually post articles like this so I thought it was divine intervention from Johnny Carson which would allow me to write this and still be on topic.

Thanks Carnac! smilies/cheesy.gif
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Winning Lotto Numbers
written by DKrap, April 25, 2011
But what are the winning Lotto numbers for next week? What about stock tips? Who will win the election in 2012? Who really won the election in 2000? Inquiring minds want to know!
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written by William, April 26, 2011
Bea:
When it comes to manipulating and exploiting children that is where I draw the line.


So you have no problem manipulating and exploiting adults? Glad we got that cleared up.
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@ goddess
written by drzeus99, April 26, 2011
Umm...I thought you were leaving.
How can others trust you when you say you're "outta here", "ciao", "have a good life".
and then come back the very next day.

Geez, at least offer an apology and say your sorry and that you really didn't mean it.

And that you still love everybody here smilies/cheesy.gif , and wish to come back.

At least we're not meanies and BAN you like some other sites do.
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written by William, April 27, 2011
Actually, drzeus99, she WAS banned.
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Beatrice Marot is now the Goddess?
written by jalfarmer, April 28, 2011
As if it would not be noticed on this site?

Alan
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