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Tempests In Skeptical Teapots PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Steve Cuno   
Wednesday, 26 October 2011 00:00

I live in Salt Lake City, where the Mormon Church is headquartered. As you might expect, a certain amount of anti-Mormon sentiment centers here as well. In times of crescendo, one could forgive the casual observer for inferring that Salt Lake comprises naught but two, polarized, contentious populations. After all, the vast numbers of Mormons and non-Mormons who coexist problem-free tend not to make much noise.

One perpetually smoldering debate, its flame recently re-fanned by Mitt Romney’s White House aspirations, has to do with whether Mormons are Christians. Mormons believe in Jesus. That, they feel, along with the fact that the church’s official name happens to be The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, should settle the matter. Yet many Born-Again Christians maintain that, professed belief and official name notwithstanding, Mormons do not qualify. If you are a fan of the Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe’s “Name That Logical Fallacy,” you might enjoy a look at this teapot tempest. It is rife with special pleading, the No True Scotsman Fallacy, ad hominem attacks, begging the question and Argument from Authority, to name a few.

To those outside the fray, whether one group meets the other’s definition of “Christian” is more than moot. It is wasteful. The energy spent debating the unwinnable could have been invested in getting along as neighbors.

Moreover, if P.T. Barnum really did say that all publicity is good publicity, he was mistaken. History brims with publicity that catalyzed demises. With due respect to Barnum, I suspect that the squabbling over who is and isn’t a true Christian does little to help either side win acceptance, much less adherents.

Let’s not be smug. From time to time, we skeptics whip up teapot tempests of our own, equally rife with logical fallacies we so proudly claim to eschew.

I am not going to cite instances. I fear it would only bog us down in regurgitation and side-taking. Instead, I’m going to cite an experience at a recent social gathering. The host introduced me to the room, not discretely, as a skeptic. Almost immediately, I was peppered with questions as to the skeptical position on everything from the heritability of racism, to the effects of meditation, to the significance of dreams. So much for melting into the background as just another guest. As I did my ill-prepared and not terribly successful best to respond, it occurred to me that, while I have my own evidence-derived views on each of those subjects, asking for “the skeptical position” on any given issue begs the question. There is no skeptical position on any given issue; there is only the skeptical method. The method, as readers of this blog well know, consists of seeking evidence in order to arrive at an informed conclusion.

Readers here also know that agreeing to look at the evidence doesn’t ensure agreement on where the evidence leads. Yet, like Born-Again Christians who obsess on whether Mormons are true Christians, it can be tempting for skeptics to publicly and not very kindly challenge whether those who reject their own particular conclusions are true skeptics, and even, on occasion, whether they are decent human beings. Not infrequently, a blogospheric brawl follows.

In times of crescendo, one could forgive the casual observer for inferring that skepticism comprises naught but two, polarized, contentious populations. After all, the vast numbers of disagreeing skeptics who coexist problem-free tend not to make much noise.

To those outside the fray, whether one group meets the other’s definition of “skeptic” is more than moot. It is wasteful. The energy spent debating the unwinnable could have been invested in getting along as neighbors in the promotion of the skeptical method.

Moreover, with due respect to Barnum, I suspect that the squabbling does little to help skepticism win acceptance, much less adherents.

Perhaps even the term skeptical movement begs the question. We might do better to speak of the skeptical community. The admitted tiny word change might serve to remind us that we are neighbors, friends brought into proximity by our common interest in ferreting out facts, regardless of where the facts lead us individually.

Should you deem me presumptuous to lecture on the subject, well, I suppose that I am guilty as charged. If my presumption offends you, I wouldn’t blame you if you chose to read no further.

 

Steve Cuno, a three-time TAM speaker, is founder of the RESPONSE Agency in Salt Lake City. He admits to being better at telling others how to stay out of unwinnable frays than he is at staying out of them himself, as his having written this piece ironically attests. You can read Steve’s blogs by clicking here.

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written by thearmchairskeptic, October 26, 2011
Great post, Steve. Thanks.
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written by squareone, October 26, 2011
Steve,
Are you suggesting that rational inquiry and civil dialogue are more fruitful than the cliquish ideology to which I subscribe? Since you make a valid point, I will refrain from responding with childish name calling.
Well written.
Thanks.
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written by Mrs. A.S., October 26, 2011
I am going to resort to childish name calling, Steve, and say,
"Genius!"
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written by Lemony Vengeance, October 26, 2011
As not only a citizen of Salt Lake City, but a Member of the LDS (Mormon)church, I agree with the post. Arguing about christian/non-christian status is a waste of time and energy, which should be better spent on other things. For instance, actually helping people and caring about each other.. after all, isn't that what being a "believer" is about?

*shrug*
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Not Brilliant and Not Skeptical, Either
written by Michael Dawson, October 26, 2011
The topic of this post is whether we skeptics ought to join in debating whether Mormons are Christians. That, of course, is a spurious question. Part of the scientific method is knowing which questions are on target, and which designed to facilitate continued unreason and harmful myths.

The real question is whether Mormonism is a wrongheaded cult started by a fraud for reasons of greed, psychosis, and historical naivete/ignorance of reality. The evidence there is screamingly clear, isn't it?

Mormons are a major enemy of science, like it or not.
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A rather late concession!
written by Belmons, October 26, 2011
It's amusing to see the sentence "I wouldn't blame you if you chose to read no further" when it's the last one in the posting!
Department of pedantry: for "discretely" read "discreetly".
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@ Michael Dawson
written by squareone, October 26, 2011
What would you think of my reading comprehension if I stated that you link to a blog about how to bottle wine?
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written by Max, October 26, 2011
I had a friend who grew up Catholic in the deep south, and she said a lot of Baptists down there didn't realize Catholicism was a form of Christianity smilies/cheesy.gif
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@squareone
written by Michael Dawson, October 26, 2011
What point are you making about reading comprehension, and for what reason? Are you saying I'm mis-reading Cuno's apology for biting our tongues about the status of Mormonism? How so?

I grant that there's -- perhaps -- no reason to start a verbal war with them. But that doesn't mean we should also cede the agenda to them or agree to grant them a status they don't have. Mormonism is an especially obvious example of the truth about all religions, and we ought to be open and honest about seeing that. If nothing else we need to point out the fact that "Are Mormons Christian?" is too shallow a question. We're here to offer people access to realism, not to help perpetuate the old games.
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@ Michael Dawson
written by squareone, October 26, 2011
Pardon if my little jab was not more informative, it appears that you have not read the above post.
The topic of this post is not about skeptics joining in the Mormon/Christian debate, nor is it an "apology for biting our tongues about the status of Mormonism". Rather, it is a pithy analogy which suggests that skeptics might not be well served as a community by behaving as the self righteous true believers do.
A reread may change your perception of the intent of this post.
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@Michael Dawson
written by lytrigian, October 26, 2011
Bananas.
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written by Michael Dawson, October 26, 2011
Yes, I didn't read the thing closely. Sorry.
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An important point that might be missed.
written by medains, October 27, 2011
This is the sentence that struck me in the article:

"Almost immediately, I was peppered with questions as to the skeptical position on everything from the heritability of racism, to the effects of meditation, to the significance of dreams."

Everyone has a tendency, when presented with a "skeptic", to pepper them with their favourite quack theory - whether it is chiropractic, 911 conspiracy, ghosts, aliens or some other subject - usually with personal anecdotes and a challenge to "explain that". The only reasonable response for most of us is "I haven't examined that in much detail, but it doesn't sound plausible to me", or at best "From what I've read that appears to be false."

Anyone who holds a strong belief that they know could be challenged can "gang up" on a skeptic, and human nature leads them to adopt an "us vs them" attitude, even when they don't agree with each others pet theories. This can put us very much on the defensive - perhaps we would be better suited by asking others what they think, which would draw out the specific skepticism about the specific subject matter - allowing us to be part of the larger group, if only for a moment.
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I can top that
written by garyg, October 27, 2011
written by Max, October 26, 2011
I had a friend who grew up Catholic in the deep south, and she said a lot of Baptists down there didn't realize Catholicism was a form of Christianity

I can top that: early in my career I was asked by a product of the Baltimore Catholic schools, "Do you Jews believe in God?"
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written by popsaw, October 27, 2011
I had a friend who grew up Catholic in the deep south, and she said a lot of Baptists down there didn't realize Catholicism was a form of Christianity

That is understandable. I cannot think of anything further from Christianity than Catholicism. Would Jesus agree with spit roasting and torturing people for the crimeof translating the bible into a common language?
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written by popsaw, October 27, 2011
Sorry to post again but could the person that voted me down explain their reasons. Are you voting me down in defence of those that tortured and spit roasted bible translators or is it because of the typo I made?
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written by Willy K, October 27, 2011
Catholicism, Mormonism, Judaism, Islamism... pick any 'ism you like, they are all special forms of insanity.

I proclaim this assertion as needing no defense! smilies/tongue.gif
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written by Mrs. A.S., October 27, 2011
@popsaw

I did not vote on your comment, but perhaps the negative votes are because the overall point of Steve Cuno's blogpost is about how skeptics engage in this behavior towards fellow skeptics, and not about how the religious treat each other.

We can be quick to judge our fellow skeptics as not "true" skeptics if they don't agree with all of our religious, political, economic or social views. And, we can be downright nasty and commit logical fallacies of our own to defend our censure of those in this community with whom we disagree.

I hope that Steve's post makes us realize the need for self-reflection more than a need for open discussion. I read it and said, "Yes. I have been guilty of this. I must try to do better to police my own behavior going forward."
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Definition
written by GusGus, October 28, 2011

This may be a little off topic, but the topic as it is impels me to offer my definition of a sect: The other guy's religion!
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skeptic?
written by laursaurus, November 03, 2011
Maybe identifying oneself as a generic "skeptic" means different things to different people. It almost begs for context. We're all skeptics about one thing or another. A climate skeptic is not the same as a religious skeptic.
With online skeptical communities, people are embracing a "movement" that has already unintentionally taken on some ideological positions. The JREF seems to be one entity who regularly warns about the insidious ease that group-think can creep into organized skepticism.
It's not a fun job, but an important one. Self-skepticism is probably the ultimate and most over-looked challenge humans face. We are fortunate to have our feet held to the fire. The blind spots are just that. We don't see them until they are pointed out.
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