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Fluff Won't Make The World A Better Place PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Barbara Drescher   
Wednesday, 16 November 2011 09:00

One of my favorite sources of interesting content is TED. If you're not sure what that is, I highly recommend watching a few of the talks posted online and read about it.

TEDx on the other hand... TEDx is a program which allows people to license the TED name to organize small (<100 attendees) TED-like events in their communities. Many TEDx talks are available online as well. Some are just as good as TED talks. Others are not. In fact, when a TEDx talk is bad, it's usually very, very bad, like this one by Patrick Finn, faculty at the University of Calgary. His bio states that he teaches acting, story, and happiness. Yes, happiness. Oh, he also teaches a course on love. No, he's not a psychologist.

Finn says, "What we need to get rid of is critical thinking."

Yes, I'm going to criticize this.

Finn claims that critical thinking is a defunct way of reasoning that turns us into "martial artists of the mind". He claims that this is a "linear and violent way to think about ideas". He may be right that critical thinking is defensive, however, it is far from "linear" or closed-minded when applied properly. While it is true that many people who call themselves skeptics take a hard-lined approach, pooh-poohing anything that sounds even remotely unscientific, but that's not the spirit of skepticism. The logic may seem okay in a hyper-rational argument, but the approach is bad; cherry-picking, confirmation-seeking, and other forms of fallacious reasoning are abundant in this kind of thinking. This closed-mindedness is the difference between a rational thought and what is sometimes called "hyper-rational".  D.J. Grothe distinguishes skepticism from cynicism in this recent interview. When it is taken to the extreme, 'critical thinking' is no longer reasonable or rational. However, one can say this about any approach.

 

Finn's big idea is he can "fix" universities with "fluff and baskets". He calls it "loving thinking". I call it "gag-inducing".

Finn throws around some weasel words and phrases (e.g., "I'm asking you to step into information.") as he discusses goals and outcomes in very vague terms. Although he described what he does not like about criticism, he never tells us why his approach is superior, nor does he tell us what, specifically, it should improve (other than a pleasant experience in comparison to other coursework).

Essentially, his approach is contributory. Pile on the ideas and "let the best ideas sift up to the surface. We don't spend all of the time breaking your argument down and attacking you... trying to make an argument that is, you know, indefensible, made of titanium and things like that. We need something that is bigger."

Bigger? Bigger than a strong argument? What does that mean?

I don't want to attack his talk point-for-point, but there are a couple of points here that warrant direct response. One is his analogy of "sifting", which is a good one. The problem is that things do not sift upward. Critical thinking is a filter, but it works because the good ideas get through it while the bad ones are left behind. The only way to do this is to examine each and discard the bad ones. Instead, Finn suggests that we just pile on the ideas. What he is suggesting is "brainstorming" and nothing more. It may be a good way to generate hypotheses, but Finn seems to believe that we should stop there.

That's a bit of a problem. Ideas don't change the world. Taking actions does. Taking action on a bad idea is harmful, yet in Finn's model, there are no bad ideas. How are we to choose the best idea from the pile of unevaluated ideas? Will just magically rise to the surface or shine brighter or something?

The summary that he gives for how his course is run:

I don't allow what's called 'hating'. I have a no-haters policy. And what that means is that if you say something from the audience, some bitter SOB is not allowed to then give you their witty, witty, acidy retort, that collapses your argument and leaves nothing for the group. It has to be contributive. The idea comes and I say, 'Oh, yes, I hear your idea. Here's mine'.

So, apparently, arguments which can be collapsed with a single retort should be considered as valid as any other argument.

Look, nobody likes it when some smart-ass shuts them down, but if that smart-ass is wrong, the way to deal with it is counter-argument, not silence. If the smart-ass is right, then the argument should be shut down. If you don't like how this happens, then teach your students to act professionally. Professionalism doesn't mean "unconditional positive regard". It means civil discussion about ideas and arguments, not personal attacks.

Finn has decided that his approach is successful because the course is popular and students do more work (writing) than required. Of course, he doesn't seem to actually grade or criticize this work, so the quality of it is unknown, as is how much of the work is actually done by the students themselves. I would argue that it is unsurprising students love the course. Who wouldn't enjoy a course in which they receive only praise and are never asked to think deeply?

Now, you might argue that one can think deeply without criticism, but I'd reply that even if that is true, there is no motivation or need to think deeply. Any idea is as good as any other, so contributions can come from the top of your head.

It is clear that just piling on theories and arguments without examining them leaves us with nothing but a pile of theories an arguments, so comparing criticism with no evaluation makes little sense. Criticism is also hugely superior to praise and/or confirmational approaches.

Why do we consider critical thinking so important? Because without it, we can't get very far.

Most skeptics are familiar with the confirmation bias, which is the very strong human tendency to favor confirming information. I other words, we are more likely to notice, remember, believe, and assign weight to information that confirms what we already believe to be true than other information. What you may not know is how this bias extends to how we seek knowledge and test hypotheses. Humans tend to experiment, but we do so in a confirmatory manner when a better approach is to attempt to falsify. That is, the best test of a hypothesis is one in which the outcome tells us what is likely to be true by eliminating other possibilities. This is how science works most of the time and I think that we can agree that it works better than any other method.

In science, we start with as many explanations as we can form form what we already know about the world, then eliminate the bad ones until there is only one left. We do that by testing hypotheses and finding weaknesses in theories. Strong ideas can take a beating and remain standing. In fact, the best theories are strengthened by the process of looking for what's wrong with them.

You will find a more complete explanation of the falsification approach and how it applies to critical thinking in a recent post on my blog (http://icbseverywhere.com/blog/2011/11/why-we-criticize/).

 

Barbara Drescher teaches research methods, statistics, and cognitive psychology at California State University, Northridge. Her research interests include perception, attention, learning, and reasoning. At ICBSEverywhere.com, Barbara evaluates claims and research, discusses education, and promotes science and skepticism.

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written by OldProf, November 16, 2011
He seems to be of the opinion that the best argument establishes 'truth'. Sounds like a lawyer.

This reminds me the the piece I read in 'Academe' magazine last year. Written by a professor of English at the American University in Rome, it contained this gem (my wording, but the substance is there: "What they teach in the sciences and mathematics might have some use, the _real_ critical thinking comes in the liberal arts".
I would like to take such people and simply deprive them of the benefits of critical thinking and science.
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written by CNS100, November 16, 2011
I see, professor Finn... so I can say "Oh yes, I hear your idea. Here's mine. Your idea is indefensible, leads to incoherence and confusion, and is worthless. That's my contribution. Now no collapsing of it, please."
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Carl Sagan says...
written by memeweaver, November 16, 2011
I was listening to a podcast this afternoon which reminded me of Sagan's statement

It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance between two conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all hypotheses that are served up to us and at the same time a great openness to new ideas … If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you … On the other hand, if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful ideas from the worthless ones.

[retrieved from: ]http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan]
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Who said we HAVE to share?
written by badrescher, November 16, 2011
"I would like to take such people and simply deprive them of the benefits of critical thinking and science."

I sometimes wish that hypocrisy were illegal. Then we could remove every anti-science website. smilies/smiley.gif
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Grrr . . .
written by Miles R., November 16, 2011
The link in the post that is supposed to lead to Patrick Finn's Tedx video does not work. The correct URL is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8n0gLmL9M.

I've watched the video, and it is every bit as bad as Ms. Drescher makes it out to be. Finn actually does say, "We need to get rid of critical thinking"--which seems to me about as wise as saying that we need to get rid of sanitation or law enforcement. He never defines a problem to which critical thinking is supposed to be an outdated solution and so-called "loving thinking" a more effective solution. All we get is the assertion that critical thinking is "linear" and "violent" and some anecdotes about how dull and sterile he found academic life before he got all fluffy. But I guess that it's pointless to expect someone who expressly rejects critical thinking to have any clear (let alone cogent) reason for doing so.

Here is a comment on the video:

I took his happiness course, only because it was a easy option, and I mean EASY! like the man said no critical thinking. I found this not only to be the best class I've ever taken in university, but the only class where I went to the lectures cause I wanted to go. I don't remember studying anything but retaining everything.


Ooh, consciousness raising! So much more fun than actual study!
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written by cosmicaug, November 16, 2011
"What you may not know is how this bias extends to how we seek knowledge and test hypotheses. Humans tend to experiment, but we do so in a confirmatory manner when a better approach is to attempt to falsify."

That's also how we generate hypotheses. So I think it is good to throw all sorts of garbage out there and then let it breed for a bit and generate more garbage (brainstorming) and I think that figuring out how to do this consistently is a laudable goal and useful. It's shake and bake. Your thought processes tend to settle down on certain minima and it is useful to figure out how to shake yourself out of that minima that provide for a better starting point to explore the edges of what is known. But that is only the first step. After that you need to test it and the way you do that is not with love (unless it is a love of the truth*) but by getting very, very critical of the hypothesis generation step and by figuring out, exhaustively, how to falsify the hypotheses that are generated so that the ones which are not discarded outright can potentially be discarded later by experiment.

That being said, I listened to that talk and I expected some sort of insight from it (perhaps along the lines of what I touch on in the previous paragraph) that might have been missed by the big, bad skeptics. Instead, I learned nothing.

* A love so great as to demand that one ruthlessly discard favored, but flawed, ideas.
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written by beowulff, November 16, 2011
Finn claims that critical thinking is a defunct way of reasoning that turns us into "martial artists of the mind".

This only makes me want to be a mind ninja now.
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written by MadScientist, November 16, 2011
I've seen idiots of Finn's caliber in other universities around the world promoting nonsense like "learning by osmosis". It is a very sad fact that even the best institutes of learning can be infested with absolute morons.
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Was that so bad?
written by Factoid, November 16, 2011
Usually when I come here and see a scathing critique of a person or idea, it holds up after I've had a chance to review the material. For example, posts about homeopathy, psychics, 2012, etc... I feel this one missed the mark and in my opinion only re-enforced the point the TEDx speaker was trying to make.

I wasn't a fan of University overall, my experiences studying Computer Science and Math tended to revolve around teaching the correct solution to a problem rather than exploring the problem landscape and learning how to fail. I suppose perhaps that's by design. To weed out in the undergrad years those people who can't even do certain things correctly when hand held through the fundamentals, but I don't have any proof of that.

I think the speaker's choice of vocabulary is unfortunate. Critical thinking does not equate to me with being mean spirited, much the same way that cynicism and skepticism are very different things. But there's a nugget in there that reminded me of something from the philosophy of the Unix operating system. "Be liberal with what you accept, but be conservative of what you emit". In it's original context they mean that when two computers attempt to communicate, the listening program should be prepared to gloss over things and make assumptions in order to handle requests that might not be 100% on spec. But when replying to try to adhere to the specification as closely as possible. We do that with our kids as well, we sometimes know what they mean even when they use the wrong grammar, but we (usually) try to be as correct as possible when we speak to them.

As a skeptic, I didn't see anything really cringe worthy in his talk. Much of it, to me, was more "Well, yeah! So?". But just as we know there are many people who still blindly accept things even when there is generous evidence to the contrary, it's not hard to imagine there are plenty of people who may never have stopped to consider the very basic ideas he lays down.

So maybe take a moment to reflect on the video and think about what he might have meant, rather than focus on what exactly he said. Maybe even contact him to clarify and try to offer a refinement of the message. If it can be shown to be a terrible idea after it's been refined, that's the time to junk it.

None of us ever get things right on the first pass.
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written by cosmicaug, November 16, 2011
"So maybe take a moment to reflect on the video and think about what he might have meant, rather than focus on what exactly he said. Maybe even contact him to clarify and try to offer a refinement of the message."

Sure. You will always need some clarification with specific points in any given lecture. However, when the whole talk is either a 15 minute long Rorschach test or a talk where you need some clarification on everything then what you have is what is technically known as a "bad talk".
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Proud to be a bitter SOB :-)
written by kdv, November 16, 2011
I don't allow what's called 'hating'. I have a no-haters policy. And what that means is that if you say something from the audience, some bitter SOB is not allowed to then give you their witty, witty, acidy retort, that collapses your argument and leaves nothing for the group.


bitter SOB? The mind boggles thinking about what he'd call dissenters if he did allow hating!

memeweaver:

(Sagan) It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance between two conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all hypotheses that are served up to us and at the same time a great openness to new ideas … If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you … On the other hand, if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful ideas from the worthless ones)


Sorry, I think Sagan was wrong on this one. I admire Sagan strongly, but he wasn't an oracle.

I can see no conflict whatsoever between skepticism and openness to new ideas. To mind, the former not only implies the latter, it requires it. "That's new, so it can't possibly be true" isn't skepticism, it's naysaying.

"I've come up with a way of improving a car's fuel efficiency by 40%"

Naysayer: Bull. You're either lying or crazy.
Skeptic : Sounds improbable. I'd like to see some evidence.
Gullible: Wow! Wonderful! Please sell me one!

Of the three, it is only the skeptic who is truly open.

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written by badrescher, November 16, 2011
Sorry, I think Sagan was wrong on this one... I can see no conflict whatsoever between skepticism and openness to new ideas.


I'm pretty sure that was exactly Sagan's point. The term "skepticism" has evolved a bit since he wrote it, but he meant that we need to be cautiously open-minded, that considering evidence before drawing conclusions includes both withholding acceptance and withholding rejection.

Factoid, I don't think his talk was ambiguous at all. To write this piece I watched it several times and listened pretty carefully. There's nothing to clarify. What he meant was exactly what he said and what he said was ridiculous.
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written by OldProf, November 17, 2011
Watching and reading such debates for years, I have come to the conclusion that words are the problem. To all too many of the fuzzy-thinking crowd, 'critical' seems to imply criticism, which is a personal and emotional thing. In science, we don't criticize in that way (if done right), we simply point out that an idea does, or doesn't work. This is not the same as appears to be done in the 'creative' disciplines, where what is assigned is a value based on emotion (beauty, etc.)
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written by badrescher, November 17, 2011
Critical thinking does imply criticism. I think that what you're trying to say, OldProf, is that some people equate 'criticism' with 'insult'. This is something I mentioned in the post on my blog (link at the end of this post: http://icbseverywhere.com/blog...riticize/.
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written by OldProf, November 17, 2011
@badrescher - that is more or less correct. For scientific ideas, it's more rejection (as in standard hypothesis testing) than criticism. The latter word carries connotations of personal attack.
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written by Mark P, November 18, 2011
Factoid wrote:

I wasn't a fan of University overall, my experiences studying Computer Science and Math tended to revolve around teaching the correct solution to a problem rather than exploring the problem landscape and learning how to fail. I suppose perhaps that's by design. To weed out in the undergrad years those people who can't even do certain things correctly when hand held through the fundamentals, but I don't have any proof of that.


It's simpler than that. It's time and money.

The process of learning by failure is immensely time consuming, and requires individual teaching - since everyone is learning at different rates. People would never get through a degree if learning was done that way. The less clever people wouldn't actually learn anything at all if they relied on their own wits (political correctness aside, some people actually need to be taught because they don't learn otherwise).

Discovery learning is a con anyway. Can you imagine how long it would take for someone to come up with a proper search algorithm by trial and error? Given that it took the greatest minds years to winnow the procedures down, how would undergraduates manage in a semester? They would only get there by "discovery" if the teacher was directing them anyway (albeit subtly).

Discovery teaching has its place. It is often used in industry situations, like apprenticeships, where individual mentoring is possible.
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written by OldProf, November 18, 2011
@Mark P - And yet, the current hot trend in colleges of education is 'problem-based learning'. They want everyhting taught that way. I am fighting it, for the very reasons that you describe.
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written by mariamyrback, November 18, 2011
My apologies for the error in the link to Finn's video. I tested it before I published the article so I'm not sure what happened.

It's fixed now.

If anything like that happens again, would someone please email me at the above address? I only check the blog comments for spam once or twice a week now since our dear friend Mabus went away.

Thanks!
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written by rosie, November 20, 2011
Harry Kemelman's Rabbi Small was very scathing of his students attempts to "gain knowledge by pooling their ignorance". It is of course much easier than learning stuff.

But BTW you can sift things upwards: if you shake a sifter of flour the nasty little lumps rise to the surface just like Finn's so-called ideas.
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