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Written by Jeff Wagg   

A few days ago, I wrote about the Ghost Repeller provided by Thai company Supa Boondee. I was surprised to open my e-mail and find this notice, apparently from the company:

The easy way to proof it is you buy it and test it yourself. If not as what we advertised you pay you double price of selling price. Full refund.

Would you happy ?

Best regards,
Lalita

I will answer publicly and privately.

Again, they can speak English better than I can speak Thai, so I won't be commenting on the peculiarities of their grammar other than to say that it seems like they want to me to pay myself double if it doesn't work. I *think* they're offering to pay me double if it doesn't work as advertised.

The problem is, of course, that "as advertised," there's no way to tell if it works at all! How can I tell if it's repelling ghosts if I can't find any ghosts to begin with? Maybe it works so well that all ghosts have been repelled from the entire planet?

There is an opportunity for Supa Boondee here. If they are sure their device works, they must be able to detect both the presence and absence of ghosts. If they can do that, they're eligible for the million dollar challenge. So rather than go to the trouble of purchasing one of their devices, I am formally inviting them to apply for the challenge. I promise you: if they can detect ghosts (or devils), we will happily turn over the million to them. Oh, and everything we know about our world will change instantly. But that doesn't seem to occur to them.

I'll let you know if they respond again.

 

 

 

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written by Lee, March 21, 2009
Prediction: back pedalling, and further invitations to purchase the product.

If I am right, that'll be a million dollars please.
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An Offer Randi cannot Refuse!
written by Skeptic, March 21, 2009
Essentially, their offer is this: Pay them $X. If a ghost bothers you -- proof the machine doesn't work -- they will pay Randi $2X!

How can it possibly be a scam with such a money-back guarantee?

Randi still hadn't replied, by the way, to my similar double-your-money-back guarantee of my super-duper, extra-strength dinosaur-repelling stone.
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written by Willy K, March 21, 2009
Maybe they are using a Sniffex to detects ghosts. A super-duper double scam! smilies/wink.gif
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written by MadScientist, March 22, 2009
It's simple - buy it, turn it on, see no ghosts - they keep your money.

In another version, I was made a similar offer by an African princess; she said she'd pay me ten times over if only I could lend her a little money to bribe officials so that she could claim her inheritance.

Is there nothing so lame that some people wouldn't fall for it?
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written by BillyJoe, March 22, 2009
I received an email recently that said I'd been selected to receive compensation for money I'd lost being scammed.

True story.
...and I've never even lost money being scammed.
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Grammar?
written by trawnajim, March 22, 2009
'Twould seem that your English grammar is also just a tad short of 100%, Jeff (not, by the way, to claim that mine is perfect). smilies/wink.gif

How can I tell if it's repelling ghosts if I can find any ghosts to begin with?


I think you mean *can't* find any.

Also,
If they are sure there device works,


Should be *their*.
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written by Elexina, March 22, 2009
Why, yes, I would love to happy! (couldn't resist) Man, if only the poor "Haunting in Connecticut" people'd had this... On the bright side, it'll put people like Lorraine Warren and Reverend Bob Larsen out of business, right?

EDITED BY JEFF WAGG: Touché. And Fixed. Thanks.
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written by Rustylizard, March 22, 2009
Your average ghost is NOT going to like this machine!. Sure, the repeller might keep the thing away for awhile, but after you're forced to pay the million bucks, it could return just to spite you.
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written by Mully410, March 22, 2009
I could really use one of these repellents. The ghosts were pretty active in my back yard the other day. http://mully410.blogspot.com/2...attle.html
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written by José, March 22, 2009
I actually tested this device as an anti-possession machine, and while it did repel your average ghost, it actually attracts lesser demons. Therefore, I cant recommend it for that purpose. Surprisingly though, it works great against mosquitoes. It also plays 8 tracks and detects carbon monoxide.
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written by Caller X, March 22, 2009
Oh Jeff. Sweet doughy-headed Jeff. Too many sushi luncheons with Jeremy Piven? This recent lack in intellectual acuity is troubling.

A ghost-repeller wouldn't need to detect ghosts to repel them any more than a hog-fence needs to detect hogs to shock them.

I'm worried about you Jeff.
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Caller X is right about the fence
written by Metatron, March 22, 2009
I don't know why I didn't think of that. An electric fence handily repels anything stupid enough to touch it. No detection mechanism required.

Could be the Supa Boondee people have found the ethereal equivalent.

Now, to confirm their claim the thing works would require the ability to detect ghosts, of course. But the repeller wouldn't necessarily need such a capability.
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written by José, March 22, 2009
@Caller X
A ghost-repeller wouldn't need to detect ghosts to repel them any more than a hog-fence needs to detect hogs to shock them.


He didn't say they must use the device to detect the ghosts. Supa Boondee issued a challenge to test the device, and Jeff pointed out that if they even have a way to perform the test, there's a million dollar check with their name on it.
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written by BillyJoe, March 22, 2009
I'm more worried by x and metraton's reading ability.
Here are the relevant quotes from the article:

How can I tell if it's repelling ghosts if I can find any ghosts to begin with?

If they are sure there device works, they must be able to detect both the presence and absence of ghosts.

Also, I'm almost certain that Jeff planted those errors (bolded) on purpose.
Hint:

Again, they can speak English better than I can speak Thai, so I won't be commenting on the peculiarities of their grammar

But I may be gicing him a little lattitude here.
BJ



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written by Caller X, March 22, 2009
written by BillyJoe, March 22, 2009
I'm more worried by x and metraton's reading ability.
Here are the relevant quotes from the article:

How can I tell if it's repelling ghosts if I can find any ghosts to begin with?


If they are sure there device works, they must be able to detect both the presence and absence of ghosts.


Also, I'm almost certain that Jeff planted those errors (bolded) on purpose.
Hint:

Again, they can speak English better than I can speak Thai, so I won't be commenting on the peculiarities of their grammar


But I may be gicing him a little lattitude here.
BJ


Of course, because Jeffy* never makes mistakes. I'll give you a pass on the mistake above because it's probably a typo. "Mr. Spock, Jeffy* isn't the sun in the sky. He's the Son of God."

I'll even give you a pass on misspelling "lattitude" as I just had a zesty session with myself and I'm feeling magnanimous.

I will, however, continue to give both Jeffy* and BJ a little attitude. This is a good example of the form of woo I call "Randi and his minions can do no wrong."
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A repeller doesn't need to be able to detect its target to be effective.
written by Metatron, March 22, 2009
From the first article on this by Jeff: "But it seems to me that this device should also be able to detect ghosts in the first place..." Jose, I think Jeff clearly believed the Supa Boondee device should have the capability to detect ghosts. In fact, from what I can piece together from their mangled translation, the Supa Boondee people seem to be implying the same.

I am pointing out (Caller X was first) in this thought experiment that it may be entirely possible to create a ghost repeller that has no such detection capability, yet is still entirely effective at repelling ghosts.

Any ghost repeller tester would require that detection capability, obviously.

Is Supa Boondee's claim bogus? Probably. I don't doubt for a second they have no chance at the million dollars.
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written by Caller X, March 22, 2009
As always, Jeffy* is an homage.

*an homage to The Family Circus.

José raises a good point, that to win the $1,000,000 they would have to win it twice.
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written by Metatron, March 22, 2009
I double negative'd myself there. I don't doubt for a second they have any chance at the million dollars.
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written by Metatron, March 22, 2009
Crap! I need to stop posting so late. I don't think for a second they have any chance at the million dollars.
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written by Caller X, March 22, 2009
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written by Metatron, March 22, 2009
I double negative'd myself there. I don't doubt for a second they have any chance at the million dollars.

I'm almost certain you made that error on purpose.
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Be Fearful
written by Realitysage, March 22, 2009
The only thing to be afraid of after purchasing a Ghost Repeller is the specter of vanishing money....
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written by BillyJoe, March 22, 2009
I'll even give you a pass on misspelling "lattitude" as I just had a zesty session with myself and I'm feeling magnanimous.

No. You'll acknowledge that I planted them there on purpose.
(As should be obvious from what I said in the preceding sentence).

For a comedian you're pretty slow. smilies/cool.gif

BJ
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written by Caller X, March 22, 2009
written by BillyJoe, March 22, 2009

I'll even give you a pass on misspelling "lattitude" as I just had a zesty session with myself and I'm feeling magnanimous.


No. You'll acknowledge that I planted them there on purpose.
(As should be obvious from what I said in the preceding sentence).

For a comedian you're pretty slow. smilies/cool.gif

BJ


That was super clever, but, no. I'll tell you what I will do. I'll give you a pass on thinking you can give me orders. See? Now everybody's happy.

I feel another zesty session coming on.
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Be sure to get two!!
written by BatBoy, March 22, 2009
I am not holding my breath but, if they accept the challenge be sure to get two devices. One for testing and one for reverse engineering, to be sure it has the components and circuitry as specified in their advertisement. Then please, please let me be on the team that does the reverse engineering and writes the report. That would be sweet!
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written by BillyJoe, March 22, 2009
I'll give you a pass on thinking you can give me orders.

I didn't give any orders.
Here, let me spell it out for the lowIQers like yourself:

You'll acknowledge that I planted them there on purpose...or you'll give away that you completely missed that so obvious joke the first time round. Take your pick.

BJ

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written by tctheunbeliever, March 23, 2009
As much as he has tried, X really wasn't a major annoyance to me until he started paying homage to one of the sappiest, most insipid comic strips in existence (only my opinion, of course).
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written by mazyloron, March 23, 2009
A ghost-repeller wouldn't need to detect ghosts to repel them any more than a hog-fence needs to detect hogs to shock them.


Sadly, the product website has been taken down, so I can't offer a direct quote, however, if I recall from their site, they claim that the device does in fact detect ghosts/devils. The description said that it would detect a ghost and then send out a "killer wave" at it, to kill/hurt/chase it off/whatever. Further, as Thai culture has a lot of superstitions about benevolent ghosts, they also claimed that it would be able to tell if the ghost it detected was a friendly ghost, and if so, then it would not send the "killer wave" at it, but instead allow it to stay around.

So, yes, the concept of a "ghost-repeller" in general doesn't require that the device actually detect ghosts, however, Supa Boondee did in fact claim that their device could both detect and repel ghosts (and devils). So, in that respect, Jeff did not misspeak.
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written by BillyJoe, March 23, 2009
As much as he has tried, X really wasn't a major annoyance to me

Annoyance? Come on, since when have comedians annoyed you?
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written by Caller X, March 23, 2009
written by tctheunbeliever, March 23, 2009
As much as he has tried, X really wasn't a major annoyance to me until he started paying homage to one of the sappiest, most insipid comic strips in existence (only my opinion, of course).


To quote noted sceptic (it's a British variant, live with it) Fred Durst, we are "in agreeance" about The Family Circus, and I believe I am unanimous in that. It's really just a ploy to address Jeff as "Jeffy."
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written by Caller X, March 23, 2009
written by BillyJoe, March 22, 2009

I'll give you a pass on thinking you can give me orders.


I didn't give any orders.
Here, let me spell it out for the lowIQers like yourself:

You'll acknowledge that I planted them there on purpose...or you'll give away that you completely missed that so obvious joke the first time round. Take your pick.

BJ


I'll acknowledge that I entertained the possibility, but this is just an internet forum, so I didn't spend a lot of time on it... there are tv shows, radio shows, onanism, the odd target of opportunity, naps, food, beer, books, a whole universe of things to focus on... but "You'll acknowledge...or..." sounds a lot like an order to me, Frauelein Obersturmfuehrerin.
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written by BillyJoe, March 23, 2009
We both have two votes, so I call that even.
(I don't think we need to mention that they are negative)
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written by Steel Rat, April 12, 2009
I am pointing out (Caller X was first) in this thought experiment that it may be entirely possible to create a ghost repeller that has no such detection capability, yet is still entirely effective at repelling ghosts.


I believe they originally said, in their way, that the device takes a video capture of the ghost, does a GISS adjustment on it, and emits it back at the ghost as a "killer wave". Since a ghost is, by definition, already dead, a "killer wave" can have no effect. And to take a video capture of a ghost, it's safe to assume the device would have to detect it first since taking a video capture of a non-ghost would kill everything else in the capture. And we can't have that now, can we.
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