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Popoff Gets Popped in Australia PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Jeff Wagg   

Reader Ken from Australia reports:

Hello.  I just thought I'd share this with you.  I've noticed that the egregious Peter Popoff's TV show has been running here in Australia in the middle of the night on the Nine Network for several months.  I decided to see whether I could get them exposed.  I emailed a program called "Media Watch" on the ABC (Aust Broadcasting Corp), telling them about Popoff and his history.  I did get back a response from one of their investigators a few days later, requesting some more info, and he told me they were doing a segment on Popoff on last night's (Monday 27th April) show.

I was delighted to see that the episode did appear last night, and delighted to see that they credited James Randi with originally exposing his fraud.

You can watch the episode online if you care to.  Go to (this link) and you can see and/or download the episode.

(I don't know if my request triggered the report or whether they were planning it anyway, but it doesn't really matter.  Media Watch is a respected prime time program which acts as a sort of unofficial "watchdog" over the Aust media.)

Well Ken, we don’t know if you prompted it or not, but thanks very much for not only calling it to the Australian media’s attention, but also to our own.

US ABC’s 20/20 ran this piece in 2007. And of course, there’s the famous sting by Randi as aired on the Johnny Carson show, as recapped by this Inside Edition segment.

The amazing thing about all this is that THIS MAN WAS SHOWN TO BE AN UTTER CLOWN ON ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR SHOWS IN THE WORLD, and people still give him money. Thanks to the efforts of Ken and ABC Australia, at least a few more won’t follow suit.

Folks, it’s time for someone to follow in Robert Lancaster’s footsteps and devote a site to hounding this man out of the spotlight. Looking for a way to make a difference? This could be it.

 

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written by inquisitiveraven, April 29, 2009
The amazing thing about all this is that THIS MAN WAS SHOWN TO BE AN UTTER CLOWN ON ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR SHOWS IN THE WORD

Ah, Freudian slip? smilies/grin.gif

EDITED BY JEFFWAGG: Damn that Freud, always changing my words. (Fixed. Thanks.)
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How to Pop off Popoff
written by BillyJoe, April 30, 2009
I watch media watch every week but somehow I missed it this week so thanks for posting this.
The only way to pop off popoff is an avalanch of letters to the nine network. Mine's on its way.
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written by JasonPatterson, April 30, 2009
Great job to Ken! It seems likely to me that if the person bothered to get back to you, you probably did play some role in getting the segment made and/or aired. I wish that we had a program in the US that was as critical of the ridiculous junk that is constantly broadcast here. The best we've got right now is The Daily Show...
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written by Careyp74, April 30, 2009
Good job, Ken.

As for here in the U.S., I think Dateline NBC would probably enjoy doing a piece on someone like Popoff if you pitch it to them the right way. They like recording scam artists on camera secretly and then going back with an exposed camera and getting a different reaction.
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written by Rustylizard, April 30, 2009
Fine work Ken. It’s a little like playing Wack-A-Mole, isn’t it? Popov, Geller, and phonies like them recover from exposure again and again, raking in huge sums of money. Being a charlatan is nearly as profitable as being a Wall Street banker (maybe better). Think how much money a guy like Randi could make from a gullible public if he chose to be unscrupulous. It’s depressing that the population is so credulous, and I often find myself unsympathetic to those who insist upon getting fleeced like a pack of sheep. Then I feel guilty for losing my compassion. Anyone else feel that way?
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written by siddhigyrl, April 30, 2009
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written by Rustylizard, April 30, 2009
Think how much money a guy like Randi could make from a gullible public if he chose to be unscrupulous. It’s depressing that the population is so credulous, and I often find myself unsympathetic to those who insist upon getting fleeced like a pack of sheep. Then I feel guilty for losing my compassion. Anyone else feel that way?


Oh, I definitely feel that way. My SO and I attended CFI World Congress earlier this month. Randi lectured and performed a mentalist trick. My SO is quite convinced now Randi is secretly psychic (and his motive for uncovering charlatans would be?!?), even though I reproduced the trick for him twice. So, do I smack my SO square in the forehead, give him a hug and let him know I love him and not his beliefs, or sigh and move on?

I used to feel VERY guilty about my loss of compassion. Now I only feel guilty when the person has some life-altering disease/disability and is reaching out to woosters for help. Those are the people for whom I still waste my time and frustration.
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Siddhigyrl
written by Griz, April 30, 2009
Hate the sin, love the sinner?
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@Rustylizard
written by BillyJoe, April 30, 2009
It’s depressing that the population is so credulous, and I often find myself unsympathetic to those who insist upon getting fleeced like a pack of sheep. Then I feel guilty for losing my compassion. Anyone else feel that way?


It is easy to be unsympathetic (just read James Randi's article titled "Following up..."). But I think we should fight against it. People don't insist on being fleeced, they just trust people they don't have the skills to pick for con artists. We shouldn't feel too superior just because we happen to have learnt these skills. Empathy is the word I would use though, and it's easier if you've been a victim yourself. Don't lose empathy for the victim but kick the con artist as hard as you can because he is the lowest of the low, picking on the vulnerable in our society.

regards,
BillyJoe
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written by JasonPatterson, April 30, 2009
@BillyJoe: Your comment made me think of a video I saw recently. It's primarily concerned with why you can argue with someone, soundly crush their arguments, and finish with them convinced that they did OK. The main idea is much as you described it, people who are not competent in an area tend to lack the ability to judge their own competence.
Illusion of Superiority by Theramintrees (the same guy who did the Instruction Manual for Life, a fantastic video ... his brother, who posts under QualiaSoup, has some brilliant videos as well, Openmindedness was his most recent.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOHJa5Vj5Y
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A ghost from my past.
written by Brookston John, April 30, 2009
I had to air that huckster's show when I worked for the Tellyvangelists. Benny "How do you like my badger pelt rug?" Hinn, too.
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written by Rustylizard, April 30, 2009
Siddhigyrl, what a dilemma you have! Go with the smack in the forehead (just kidding).

BillyJoe, I agree with most of what you said, but sometimes “insistence” involves more than just a lack of skills. For example, after Popoff’s exposure, many years ago, he played to an audience in the Midwest, and Dan Barker (from FFRF) attended and tried to point out that the guy was a certified fraud. Instead of thanks, he got brickbats for trying to educate the audience. Then too, when I was younger, I often tried to lend people some of my skeptical books or invite them to attend skeptical conferences with me—all to little avail. In religious matters, many held strong opinions, but refused even to read their own holy books (much less scholarly research). I didn’t feel superior to them (many were friends with degrees—and had other talents greater than mine). I did, however, get frustrated, and my sympathy ebbs and flows with the situation. I do empathize with those unfortunates who are seriously damaged by charlatans, but I can muster no sympathy for those who turn hostile, or stubbornly (or lazily) refuse to examine evidence, including their own. I do believe that education ranks right up there with your laudable goal of kicking the con artist (though I can’t claim many victories on either score).

I also admire your goal not to become unsympathetic. I think I’ve become inured over the years—but this world has just too many things to cry over and I have a limited supply of tears.

Cheers, to you both, and thanks for the perspectives.


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written by bosshog, May 01, 2009
Rustylizard:
"It’s depressing that the population is so credulous, and I often find myself unsympathetic to those who insist upon getting fleeced like a pack of sheep. Then I feel guilty for losing my compassion. Anyone else feel that way? "

Such people are not merely misguided or lacking in discernment; they deliberately seek out horses#!t to believe in because it is more exciting and easier to understand than reality. They get a great deal of satisfaction from their delusions and are grateful to their deceivers; they do not feel that they are being ripped off - in fact, they are laughing at YOU for your contemptible blindness to the "truth".
What's more, these "sheep" can become extremely feral in dealing with those who oppose them (you and me, that is). Compassion is for those who are the hapless victims of random fate; willful headstrong idiots get no sympathy from me.
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@ Rustylizard and bosshog
written by BillyJoe, May 01, 2009
Yes, of course, there are two populations of victims.
Thanks for reminding me of the other one - the person who "knows what he knows" but actually doesn't understand a thing. It's a bit disconcerting when a victim you're trying to help, becomes your agressor.

BJ
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Thanks Billyjoe You're My Knight in Shining Armor
written by bosshog, May 01, 2009
please save me!
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written by BillyJoe, May 02, 2009
Bosshog, I think you may have misunderstood my post.

(I was actually acknowledging the existence of the type of victim you and Rustylizard spoke about in your comments)

regards,
BJ
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Don't post comments while drinking beer.
written by bosshog, May 02, 2009
My apologies Billyjoe. I assumed you were referring to myself as the other type of deluded victim.
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http://www.stoppopoff.com
written by diablo, May 02, 2009
I have purchased this and will host any content that anyone would like to put up there. I am no Robert Lancaster, but I will attempt help however I can. If anyone would like an account on it so that they can submit articles for it PLEASE let me know.
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My dedication to Peter Popoff
written by Vendel, May 03, 2009
My dedication to My Popoff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtMah-UXOFM&feature=channel_page
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written by Steel Rat, May 09, 2009
Being a charlatan is nearly as profitable as being a Wall Street banker


There's a difference??

re: Sin and Sinner. Without the sinner, there is no sin...
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PWNing Popoff for Great Justice
written by OrionSyndicate910, May 09, 2009
I must be psychic!

I have just recently created this blog
http://pwnpeterpopoff.wordpress.com/
for the express purpose of going after Peter Popoff and just a couple of days later, I find this posting on your site.

Can I has millyun dollas nao? (Lolcate joke, in case you didn't recognize it)

Seriously, though, I'm building this blog and will update it as I am able.
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