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UFO Mystery Solved! Er.. umm.. well.. PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Jeff Wagg   

ufobibleHere at the JREF, we believe in UFOs. That is, we believe that there are Flying Objects that for a time can be Unidentified. Most of these sightings have a rational explanation, however some remain unexplained. And then there are cases like this one.

Probably the most well-known UFO incident in the United States is the Roswell Crash, in New Mexico. The common rational explanation is that a secret balloon project crashed there, causing the military to act in a secretive fashion, which in turn gave fodder to the "alien spaceship" theory of so much contemporary lore.

However, at this year's UFO Festival (July 3-5... you can do this and still make TAM 7!), a Christian group plans to expose the "real" explanation for the crash. They found the answer in the Bible.

From the Tech Herald article:

"From a Biblical Christian perspective it becomes clear that 'aliens' are actually the evil spirits of the Bible," contend the group, which will also use the symposium to deliver its message on counter-cult evangelism, creationism, and spiritual warfare.

"This idea is backed up experientially with the evidence of numerous testimonies of 'abductees', which show that 'alien abduction' experiences stop in the name and authority of Jesus Christ," the statement continued.

"Also the sinful behaviors of the 'aliens' behind abductions, the false gospels and new age messages they proclaim, and their supernatural powers so very reminiscent of those described in the Bible as being had by angels, all adds up to make clear that 'aliens' are in fact the evil spirits of the Bible," it said.

The name of the group who issued this proclamation: The Alien Resistance.

Well, as we're devoted to the scientific method, we must consider all new evidence. On one hand, we have a military balloon project. On the other, evil spirits. Tough one.

One interesting note from their site though. They have a debunk of one Prophet Yahweh, a former JREF Millon Dollar Challenge applicant. Prophet Yahweh claimed the ability to summon UFOs on command, and was going to do so at TAM 4, until we learned that he intended to bring semi-automatic rifles with him. You can read about that case here.

It just goes to show that even those who seem so far from our viewpoint can share some of the same conclusions.

 

 

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Rosewell Crash?
written by Zadillo, May 16, 2009
Can't be that well known.... smilies/wink.gif

EDITED BY JEFF WAGG: Fixed. Thank you. smilies/smiley.gif
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Get the lowdown on UFOs...
written by Human Person Jr, May 16, 2009
on The UFO Channel, formerly known as The History Channel. Truly, Yahweh has blessed us with an embarrassment of riches, UFO-wise, bullshit-wise.
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Those wascally wascals, those evil aliens...
written by Human Person Jr, May 16, 2009
Apparently, they have no shame. I was shocked to learn how evil they are and how they've led so many fine Christian citizens astray. Many thanks to The Alien Resistance for the heads-up. Of course, if another wackjob group publishes an expose of The Alien Resistance, I'll switch sides immediately.
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Mmm... Spirits!
written by Michael K Gray, May 16, 2009
I'm still waiting for the alien Succubi...
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written by Diverted Chrome, May 16, 2009
couple typos 4 u, jeff:
there there are cases
found the anwer

"From a Biblical Christian perspective it becomes clear that 'aliens' are actually the evil spirits of the Bible,"
It does?? Maybe they should define "clear' first.
What would a "non-biblical christian" perspective be, if not more descriptive of the wishful thinking and non-Judaic reinterpretive wringing?

Which "false gospels" are they referring to? Is there a non-canonical gospel with claims of extraterrestrial authorship or do they not know the definition of "gospel"?

Clues of cluelessness from all angles. Always entertaining, though, innit!
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RE: Prophet Yahweh
written by BMN, May 16, 2009
Reading the linked case (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=40507), it seems you are willfully misrepresenting him and the case. Why?

On what are you basing the claim that he "intended to bring semi-automatic rifles"?

He mentioned hiring armed security (off-duty police) for the public event for liability reasons, and for the protection of himself and the public. Kramer and Randi "decided to cancel the test without further discussion", despite there being no prohibition against it in the challenge rules that I can find.

He appeared to display an understanding of "liability issues related to public events in city parks", which he claimed to have gained from having been a public event organizer in the past. I'm not qualified to critique his claims, but the JREF didn't respond to them. Instead, Kramer made a bunch of accusatory and denigrating statements, which were not backed up by any evidence and seemed to have been largely fabricated from Kramer's imagination.

The claimant responded, rebutting Kramer's statements one by one. Kramer and JREF again ignored the criticism of their jumping to unwarranted conclusions.

Regardless of the merit of the claimant's fantastic claim, which I believe to be false, the case seems to have been poorly and perhaps even shamefully handled by JREF.

Why not try to be more honest?
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written by daveg703, May 17, 2009
@Diverted Chrome
You missed the third typo: The found the anwer

Still, 2 out of 3 ain't bad. smilies/smiley.gif
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written by MadScientist, May 17, 2009
That's funny; Carl Sagan suggested that perhaps molestation by demons, visits from demons and angels, and UFO abductions and abuse may be related, that perhaps they are the same hallucinatory phenomena but that the 'explanation' proffered by the 'victims' depends on the era. When the bible was popular it was demons and angels. Now that UFOs are popular, perhaps more popular than the bible in places, it is UFOs. One thing is obvious from those claims of the christian cult; they indulge in their delusions to a point where they are a threat to society.
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@ BMN
written by Human Person Jr, May 17, 2009
Your criticisms are not well-warranted. Prophet Yahweh first mentioned armed security in December. Well before this, he'd gone on a rambling diatribe about his enemies and how they wished his death. That's a red flag, if ever I saw one.

Then, when he does mention armed security, he doesn't say professional security, or off-duty police security; no, he simply says "armed security." A person would have to be a damned fool to show up and treat with a deranged individual who has a persecution complex. I agree: There were no actual mentions of semi-automatic rifles. That reference by Kramer was somewhat gratuitous. However, I believe the Prophet came up with the concept of off-duty cops AFTER he saw he had totally freaked out the gentle Kramer.

Should Kramer have simply resigned himself to being shot to death by a pistol, wielded by the Prophet's paranoid follower, since it's not a semi-automatic rifle? Should he have assumed the "armed security" would be professional in nature?

It's bad enough to have this test outdoors, where ANYONE with any agenda can attend. Once firearms are mentioned, all bets are off. This is a weak critique, indeed, BMN.
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"False Gospel"...
written by Brookston John, May 17, 2009
... Any dogma that deviates from the dogma any given "believer" is taught at his "Home Church".
Thus the Southern Baptists criticize the Methodists and the Nazarene criticize the Baptists and EVERYBODY criticizes the Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses.
35,000 different flavours of Christianity, and they ALL think they have the One True Word...
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@BMW
written by Rustylizard, May 17, 2009
I agree with Human Person Jr’s response. Also, consider the following:

On 13 Dec 05 Kramer Posted:
“We are willing to withdraw the decision we made this morning if you are able to state for the record that you understand that the park is a public place, and if you can assure us that no firearms will be present. If you can provide us with that assurance, we can reverse our decision and proceed toward testing.” and,
“I hope that we can now proceed with a better understanding of what the actual test (and the conditions surrounding it) will be.”

Four minutes later Prophet Yahweh posted a diatribe, but failed to take JREF up on its renewed offer. All the guy had to do was agree to the added condition.

I applaud JREF’s willingness to offer money for the purpose of testing paranoid cracked-pots with delusions of grandeur and persecution (just consider some of the statements this individual made). I certainly would not fault the organization for reacting with alarm if a potentially dangerous applicant started talking about packing weapons. JREF has every right to consider the mental state of the applicant and fear for public safety, I would not even have reopened the negotiations; I value my blood more than my money.

As for The Alien Resistance—it’s good to see a group of religious fanatics has found someone other than Secular Humanists to blame for their imagined problems. Go Aliens!
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Biblical christian?
written by gabriel, May 17, 2009
So do they mean that their's is the only possible interpretation and that any christians who disagree with them are un-biblical? It is amazing how mentally deficient people can find an excuse for their bizarre behavior in the bible. I was thinking about the Quiverful movement and their craziness. It is just one dangerous cult after another.
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written by bosshog, May 17, 2009
@MadScientist:
You say "One thing is obvious from those claims of the christian cult; they indulge in their delusions to a point where they are a threat to society."

From the AlienResistance.org website under "The Heavenly Battle":
"'However, the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (fleshly, or dependant upon might or power - 2 Cor 10:4).' As Ephesians 6:12 says, this struggle is not against flesh and blood, but '... against the chief superhuman arch-angels occuping the upper atmospheres and heavenly realms.'"

-and under "Spiritual Battle/Authority":
"'And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses, and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.' 2 Timothy 2:24-26"

Pretty scary, huh?
Honestly, I think people who characterize anyone who disagrees with them as "threats to society" are truly a threat to society - that is, a society in which everyone has a right to speak his mind freely.

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Apologies for the typos..
written by JeffWagg, May 17, 2009
First, I'd like to apologize for all the typos in this article. There's simply no excuse.

Second, on Prophet Yahweh. Obviously Kramer handled that case, and I wasn't directly involved. I believe he mentioned semi-automatic rifles, and I could be wrong about that specificity, but I don't believe I am. At any rate, the JREF did not feel safe meeting this man in a public place. We offered a concession, and he failed to take it. That's about it.
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@Human Person & Rustylizard
written by BMN, May 17, 2009
@Human Person
> "he'd gone on a rambling diatribe about his enemies and how they wished his death. That's a red flag, if ever I saw one."

I have to agree here.

> "when he does mention armed security, he doesn't say professional security, or off-duty police security; no, he simply says 'armed security.'"

That's true.

> "I believe the Prophet came up with the concept of off-duty cops AFTER he saw he had totally freaked out the gentle Kramer."

That might or might not be true. But given his (claimed) background in event organization, I think it's reasonable to assume that he considered hiring security guards for large events to be a routine practice.

As an aside, Kramer might be gentle, but he's certainly not above having fun with applicants by winding them up ("this would be BIG news", "the whole world will be watching") and pretending to be on their side ("They say that '...what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.' Not THIS time, eh?!!! Just between you and I, though, do you think the world is really ready for it?"), but turning sour and caustic at the drop of a hat.

> "Should Kramer have simply resigned himself to being shot to death... ?"

I didn't see any credible threat made against the JREF, though...

> "It's bad enough to have this test outdoors, where ANYONE with any agenda can attend."

I would think that by having the test in a public park, the presence of many witnesses would deter violence.

> "Once firearms are mentioned, all bets are off."

Only if you assume negative things about the people who would be wielding them.

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@Rustylizard
> "Four minutes later Prophet Yahweh posted a diatribe, but failed to take JREF up on its renewed offer."

Given the amount of time it takes to write a post -- often more than 4 minutes -- I think it's quite likely that he hadn't even seen the offer yet.

> "All the guy had to do was agree to the added condition."

He didn't use Kramer's words, but he did say that he "was only offering armed security as an option to see what you all thought about it and not trying to add last minute conditions", and that it was "simple [sic] a misunderstanding and nothing to be alarmed about". It's possible he was lying about that, and about his background in event organization too, but I don't see a reason to assume so. In any case, his words indicate that he was backing away from the idea.

> "I certainly would not fault the organization for reacting with alarm if a potentially dangerous applicant started talking about packing weapons."

But he didn't talk about himself packing weapons. He said he would provide the security guards for the event. Armed security guards, yes, but I don't see how people make the leap from there to a fear that he's going to start murdering people, in public and on video no less.

> "JREF has every right to consider the mental state of the applicant and fear for public safety, I would not even have reopened the negotiations; I value my blood more than my money."

Again, I don't see a credible threat to the JREF being presented, and given that his other demonstrations have been, as far as I can see, free of violence, I don't see the basis for the fear.

It seems to me more like Kramer and Randi got spooked and jumped to unwarranted conclusions (e.g., 'He's obviously a nutjob who plans to start shooting people!'), and couldn't be gracious enough to communicate fairly after that.
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@ BMN
written by Human Person Jr, May 17, 2009
Leo Ryan, Congressman, was shot to death by armed security in Jonestown. I'll bet his family wishes he'd been give a hint, maybe a letter saying, "There will be armed guards present." Prophet Yahweh is a nutjob, prima facie, requiring only one more adjective to be a dangerous nutjob. Congratulations to those at the JREF who value their lives so highly. I'm pleased and proud they're alive (unlike Congressman Ryan) to have their decisions second-guessed by anyone willing to reach that far (and believe me, it's reaching).
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written by jasonhenle, May 17, 2009
THAT IS TERRIBLE! Booooooooo on them.
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@BMN
written by Rustylizard, May 17, 2009
You are correct about the “four minutes.” I referred to the difference in the time-date stamps between the posts. I should have simply stated, “Prophet Yahweh’s follow-up post.

But consider this:

1. Here is a man, a self proclaimed prophet, that says hears the voice of God and this God has blessed him with incredible powers that no one else has: Sounds like delusions of grandeur—a primary symptom of serious paranoia.

2. On the post dated 17 June, 2005 - 11:31AM, the prophet further states that “teams of people” are out to get him in more than a dozen different ways. He follows this up by warning JREF that his enemies may contact them in an attempt to sabotage his efforts. This man clearly has a persecution complex.

3. On the post dated 13 Dec, 2005 - 7:32AM he states: “I will provide the armed security for the event: several armed guards will be present to protect every one present in the event negative personalities show up.” Dipsy-doodle clearly thinks guns may be necessary at this event to thwart his enemies. Uh-oh! BIG RED FLAG!

4. So, here’s a possible scenario that comes to my mind: The prophet and his deluded thugs show up but the aliens do not. Whose fault is that? Certainly not the Prophet’s! Well, the damned “negative personalities,” must be in the audience, and no doubt they acted in collusion with JREF so Randi wouldn’t have to pay the million bucks. His efforts have been sabotaged. What then? “You dirty bast#%$s,! Shoot them boys! BANG, BANG, BANG! You may not think so, BMN, but I believe paranoia and talk of firearms make for a bad, dangerous mix and should be avoided entirely. There are no assurances of sanity here, and you don’t want to be saying “oops!”

Still, I can’t fault you too much for your lack of caution. Many who followed the exploits of prophets like Jim Jones and David Koresh didn’t see danger either, in gatherings of prophets, paranoia, unwarranted trust, and guns. I wouldn’t be too critical of JREF, though—it wasn’t your butt that was on the line. And the organization was entirely fair—it gave the guy another chance. He chose not to accept.
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It goes to show...
written by Realitysage, May 17, 2009
That religious fanatics believe in all sorts of absurd things and as typical use bible fiction as alleged evidence to support their very strange views. We keep hearing from Christians that atheist are "elitist," but if not being one means believing in the ridiculous, I'd take that moniker any day. smilies/wink.gif
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written by Godwin's long lost cousin, May 18, 2009
@Rustylizard
Many who followed the exploits of prophets like Jim Jones and David Koresh didn’t see danger either
I'm wondering, is the prophet Yahweh a cult leader? Wikipedia is a bit sparse with information. Is this a warranted comparison? Or is this just a variant of the "he's as bad as Hitler" argument?
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Painting: that isn't a UFO.......
written by Careyp74, May 18, 2009
....... It is a dust particle. smilies/grin.gif
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@Goodwin's long lost cousin
written by Rustylizard, May 18, 2009
Sorry, I don’t know much about Yahweh’s cult activities, and I should have referenced a wider spectrum than familiar cult leaders Jones and Koresh. Lesser known people have committed atrocities while delusional, too, (though most are harmless). For example, one reads of cases where God, the Devil, or Aliens have directed individuals to commit all sorts of atrocities against their own children, innocent bystanders, or perceived enemies. They wind up in institutions or in prison.

In my opinion, this prophet is probably nothing but a harmless kook, but there was no way of knowing that. True, JREF deals with a lot of peculiar people, but in most cases the testing is done in a confined, controlled area. And I doubt that any other participant has expressed the desire to bring firearms to the scene, or forewarned of some kind of conspiracy threat where “teams of people” were trying to “sabotage” his efforts. Under such circumstances, I think JREF was wise to be cautious. Better safe than sorry.
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"all sorts of atrocities" etc.
written by tctheunbeliever, May 20, 2009
Yeah, the Bible's full of 'em. smilies/sad.gif
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I may have helped "solve" the Socorro New Mexico UFO incident!
written by Dropofahat, May 22, 2009
If you're not familiar with the sighting, just Google "socorro ufo" or "lonnie zamora".

Anyway, I found a website that had a fairly convincing explanation of what was seen (a test of a prototype of a Hughes lunar lander), except it didn't adequately explain the logo or insignia the witness drew. So I did some searching, and found a Hughes logo that looks very similar to the witness's drawing! Check it out:
http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/04/socorrozamora-insignia-by-matthew.html
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not christianity but.
written by bob1942, May 31, 2009
Just saw a line on Comcast.net a headline, "UFO saves earth,-scientist says."
So I clicked it just for fun, and naturally it is FOX video clip. To paraphrase, A Russian scientist claims that a flying saucer performed a self sacrifice to crash into the meteor that crashed in Siberia in 1908.
He probably believes that Jupiter spat out what became Venus. I would love to FOX quietly slip away into oblivion.
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