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"Psychic" Rosemary Altea Scammed PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Jeff Wagg   

Sometimes you have to ask: what good is it being psychic? As I'm not psychic, I will probably never know the answer to that question, but being psychic apparently doesn't protect you from having your accountant run off with $200,000 of your "hard-earned" money. Such a fate has befallen self-proclaimed psychic Rosemary Altea, who was exposed on Penn & Teller's Bullshit! as having a stacked audience for her reading.

From the Rutland Herald article:

Denise Hall of East Arlington faces one count of wire fraud and one count of filing a false tax return after investigators with the U.S. Attorney's office say she stole money from self-proclaimed spiritual medium Rosemary Altea - using four credit cards to obtain cash advances, forging checks and giving herself unauthorized electronic paychecks all under Altea's name for the past seven years, according to court records.

So, for seven years, a bookkeeper was able to swindle money from Rosemary in ways that most of us would detect simply balancing our checkbooks.

The sad thing is that Rosemary "earned" enough money from her readings to actually allow for $200,000 to be stolen. And while I don't approve of anyone breaking the law in such a manner, it is hard to feel too much animosity for Denise Hall. After all, consider how Rosemary got the money in the first place.

A little poking around shows that Rosemary influenced one Llewella Day, a dying cancer patient in Vermont, and after one meeting, Ms. Day donated her $750,000 farm to Rosemary under the condition that it remain a farm with structures intact. This last-minute change of will surprised and angered Ms. Day's family, who took Rosemary to court, and sadly lost.

In celebration of her legal victory, Rosemary demolished the farm buildings and house to create a "healing center." Which brings to mind the obvious admonition: Rosemary, heal thyself.

 

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Stating the bleedin' obvious:
written by Michael K Gray, June 15, 2009
Why could she not 'see' this happening?

Oh yes: Because she is BOGUS.*

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* Yes, in the sense of a conscious fraud.
So, I invite the British Society of Parasitic Mountebanks to sue me...
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written by TDjazz, June 16, 2009
Didn't Altea void the terms of the will when she demolished the farm buildings and turned the farm into a scam center...uh, "healing center"? I hope the family is pursuing this.

She was scammed out of only 200 grand--a drop in the bucket.
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written by BillyJoe, June 16, 2009
You can leave your fortune to someone in your will but, in some/most jurisdictions, you cannot determine what that person does with that fortune.
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written by mama1974, June 16, 2009
So does this mean Karma is real? I'm not shocked or bothered to know she got scammed seeing as the money she "earned" was from her scamming others.
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written by CasaRojo, June 16, 2009
Crooks working for crooks. Works fer me ;-).
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written by garyg, June 16, 2009
>written by BillyJoe, June 16, 2009
You can leave your fortune to someone in your will but, in some/most jurisdictions, you cannot determine what that person does with that fortune.

But you can be clever: one woman who hated all her relatives decreed that her entire fortune be spent
on her cats and their descendants. The heirs simply segregated them by sex and had their money in a few
years (perhaps there was a provision against neutering them)
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written by superfreddy, June 16, 2009
Ladrón que roba a ladrón... tiene cien años de perdón!

That's what my granma used to say
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Digg?
written by thietanen, June 16, 2009
What's up with Digg? I get the following message when trying to submit this article:

This URL has been widely reported by users for one of the following reasons: being used to spam Digg's submission process, posting spam content, or posting off-topic content


Angry charlatans?
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written by Alan3354, June 16, 2009
No sympathy for Rosemary, but little sympathy for the "victims", either.
If they're stupid enough to fall for psychics, they have little chance against the Nigerians, et al.
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written by gacrowell, June 16, 2009
How about a defense that the psychic must have tacitly approved of the transfers?
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written by Rogue Medic, June 16, 2009
But you can be clever: one woman who hated all her relatives decreed that her entire fortune be spent
on her cats and their descendants. The heirs simply segregated them by sex and had their money in a few
years (perhaps there was a provision against neutering them)



Silly cat woman. She should have put in requirements for conjugal visits.
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When good things happen to bad people
written by Metatron, June 16, 2009
Only half the Robin Hood story, though. The skilled embezzler would've got it all. The embezzler with a conscience would've given it back to the people who were originally scammed.

Not so sure I agree with Alan3354. I can't blame people for being stupid. Put an image in your mind of the average slob. Now remember that half the planet is dumber than that. It is what it is.

These "psychics" that make their livings by exploiting that simple fact are a real problem.
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Stupidity comes home.
written by BillyJoe, June 16, 2009
No sympathy for Rosemary, but little sympathy for the "victims", either.
If they're stupid enough to fall for psychics...

I see Metatron has already answered this...um...stupid smilies/wink.gif statement.
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written by Alan3354, June 16, 2009
It's good to see that Billyjoe is here to help defend the helpless from the vultures.
What do you (BillyJoe) propose we do about people stupid enough to give money to "psychics", or to the 419 scammers?
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written by Alan3354, June 16, 2009
Metatron, is not "blaming them for being stupid" the same as not letting them be responsible for their actions?

I'm in favor of a trial for the embezzler, but the "psychic" should also be tried for scamming the "less capable", imo. But then, what is the lower limit?
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@Alan
written by BillyJoe, June 16, 2009
Firstly, you don't have to be stupid to fall for a scam, you just have to be unfamiliar with scams, or a particular scam, or be unfortunate enough to be scammed by a particularly skilled scammer. Even those with lots of knowledge and experience of scamming can still be scammed if they don't keep their wits about them.

Secondly, if a person is of low intelligence, why does that automatically disqualify him or her from receiving your sympathy.

BJ

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I chose my terms poorly, in a futile effort to be clever or cute
written by Metatron, June 17, 2009
@Alan,

I agree people should be accountable for their actions. I think you'd agree that it isn't just or ethical to hold a victim of any crime responsible for the crime done to them. I doubt you'd believe something like: "They were asking for it."

BillyJoe is very correct in pointing out that all you need to be is gullible to the particular scam applied to become a victim. "Stupid" is the wrong term to use here, I agree. (There are still plenty of stupid people in the world, to be sure)

Should the "psychic" be tried for scamming? It would be just. But, I don't think it would be possible. Most of the time, I think the professional "psychics" know very well what they can and can't say or promise so they don't run afoul of the law and lose their livelihood.

Yeah, it's a blurry line. Clearly, the "psychics" are taking advantage of people. Equally clearly, people need to be able to take due care of themselves.
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Good defense
written by GoldenNapoleon, June 17, 2009
Stealing money is not OK in any way.
But the bookkeeper should have a bulletproof defense in claiming that the psycic MUST have known her every move regarding the money, and that she (by not interfering with the transactions) silently approved them.

Moving the purden of proof in that direction should make for an interesting trial.
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News article of interest
written by Eric2, June 17, 2009
Off-topic, but the Washington Post is reporting that the FDA has recommended people stop using Zicam, a homeopathic "decongestent," because users are reporting adverse side effects.
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/...sec-health

A number of different explanations come to mind, but its probably a good sign that the FDA is paying attention to these types of products at all.
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written by Alan3354, June 17, 2009
Ok, let me reword things.
The psychics should be put out of business.
The embezzler should be tried.
Everyone should be "smart" enough not to fall for these scams (not necessarily IQ).
My remark about those who do get burned was to point out the likelihood that people so naive as to deal with psychics are like to lose their money to someone.
I'm not unsympathetic about them, that's the wrong term, but there are a lot of people who don't get it and any attempt to help them is a waste of time.
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Schadenfreude
written by Phatchick96, June 17, 2009
While I don't think ANYONE deserves to be a crime victim, there is a certain irony to this one. It is to laugh.
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written by Willy K, June 17, 2009
If I were the judge hearing that case I would let Ms. Hall keep the money as long as she produced and distributed a video that detailed how Ms. Altea, the Psycho-ik, scammed people and lead a class action suit by all those who were personally scammed by Ms. Altea.

Ms. Hall might not have a lot of the money left after all that but she will make quite a few new friends. smilies/wink.gif
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The Psychic Approved
written by DKrap, June 17, 2009
If the psychic is honest she will do either one of the following:

Admit that she is incapable of knowing the future, present or past unless it is right in front of her face and allow her bookkeeper to stand trial. In doing so, she should return all monies paid to her for her psychic predictions.

Or, she could claim that she knew about the embezzlement all along and her silence was tacit approval of her bookkeeper's embezzlement. If this is the case, then she has no claim to the money that was embezzled.

Botton line, she needs to either admit she is a con artist.
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written by Rogue Medic, June 17, 2009
Being a victim of fraud is not something to be laughed at. OK, maybe a little, but it is not something to be encouraged. While giving money to a psychic is not a fraud that I am likely to fall victim to, that does not mean that I might not be a victim of some other, equally vapid scam.

The defense of Denise Hall should be that she was only testing the abilities of Rosemary The Fraud Altea to see if she is truly psychic. Even if the defense is not successful, it should generate a lot of publicity for Rosemary The Fraud Altea.
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Have any of you met Rosemary? Have any of you received any type of message directly from her from someone in the spirit world?
written by HunterSoul, June 26, 2009
Many of you who are jumping on the bandwagon with no direct knowledge of this subject are exposing yourselves to the play of fallacies. You are being taken in like you think Rosemary Altea is doing. Look through the list of fallacies on wikipedia or from any reputable educational site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
You see, when some one places an "either or situation" in front of you, they haven't even begun to find the many other reason why something is so.Why don't you give the benefit of the doubt barring any direct experience?

Do you want to know the truth or do you want to jump on the bandwagon?

An individual was stolen from (the amount reported is not even close to the true amount, it is only what can be proved at this time with the limited resources of the Gov't)The person accused was a trusted employee.

With no other facts I would think people would be outraged. If it happened to you or a family member wouldn't you be?

There are many reasons a psychic would not see this until the end - the fact is it is up to you to be discerning on what the reasons could be and not have other's judgemental opinions sway you.

If you really want to know what happened. ASK HER!
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@HunterSoul
written by CasaRojo, June 26, 2009
"If you really want to know what happened. ASK HER! "

The only question I have for Altea is why doesn't she take JREF's Million Dollar Challenge? I've a friend whose assistant embezzled about a million bucks from him and his clients over twenty years. He should have known but he trusted her. Altea most certainly should have known. And to be frank, I'll bet most people couldn't care less about the details from a "psychic". Truthfulness is not their strong point.
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She is not self serving - she is doing the work for the greater good.
written by HunterSoul, June 26, 2009
I will only stick to the thread subject until that is done and then we might discuss other things that I know about - not what you could ask her yourself, not what is being taken away from this subject.

Perhaps all the people reading this can start with the definition of psychic and the different abilities that someone like Rosemary claims to have. Not your perception of what a psychic is. She doesn't have a crystal ball. She doesn't hold seances. SHE WORKS FOR THE SPIRIT WORLD. SHE WORKS FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR LOVED ONES HERE AND NOW. SHE SERVES THEIR NEEDS. If we benefit in the doing then that is the added bonus.
To me, this means she is not self serving - she is doing the work for the greater good.

Rudyard Kipling has a wonderfully inspirational poem that makes me think of Rosemary - especially one line: "If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools"

Rosemary helps a dying woman gain some comfort in her last days by getting her a comforter for her bead, buying her food, buying her medicine because she was just "a poor old Vermonter" who wore a rope for a belt and would rather feed her animals than herself when money was tight - and this loving act of kindness becomes fodder and a point in court where Rosemary was accused of bribing her to earn the property. Use penn and teller's word here. BULL - - - -! Rosemary didn't want the farm. She has spent hundred's of thousands of dollars of her own money, never mind being raked through the coal defending the property for Llewella's Dream. The nastiness of those of you who are "twisting the truth" or have "fallen into the trap for fools" make it even harder on her to continue doing the right thing for the good of all.

Llewella looked into the Nature Conservatory, and other places like it but in the end she thought Rosemary held the greatest possibility to make her land into something also for the betterment of all. It is what Llewella wanted.

Not everything printed in the paper is the truth. Not everything printed on the internet is the truth. Why do you think there is a place for SNOPES? Find the truth, stop reiterating what someone else says.

I dare you to come at this subject from a different angle and see what you never saw before - the TRUTH!

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written by BillyJoe, June 26, 2009
Oh my god!

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@HunterSoul
written by CasaRojo, June 27, 2009
"SHE WORKS FOR THE SPIRIT WORLD."

I hear that they pay really well.

"SHE WORKS FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR LOVED ONES HERE AND NOW."

I thought she worked for the spirit world. I think she works for herself.

"SHE SERVES THEIR NEEDS"

*No one* needs what she's serving.

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Totally busted cheating fraud
written by CasaRojo, June 27, 2009
Altea is a lying, cheating fraud.

---->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLQVAx5svtk
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written by Rogue Medic, June 27, 2009
Hunter $oul appears to be a hunter for the money of the gullible.

A disgusting pile of BS being shoveled by Hunter $oul.

Until Altea, or any other fraud/crook/scam/con/thief, demonstrates some paranormal ability, we should address them as what they are - scum of the earth, preying on those who trust others.

Prove you have ability, or face up to the criticism. Since you cannot demonstrate any bit of ability, outside of the criminal world, deal with it.

The above message was passed on to me by the late Llewella Day. Sometimes the dead have important messages for the world and ask me to let the world know.
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written by shining light, June 28, 2009
This site is about critical thinking? Right,but does that mean you should have an open mind. From what I'm seeing you are asking for pyschics to take this challenge and to this date there aren't any joining up....Maybe you might want to look at why that might be...Maybe its because of the your negativity towards these people. That you aren't approaching any of these people in a positive way. Why would anybody want to join you with this challenge. When you actually have no interest in proving they "do" have any ability. All you want to do is prove they don't have any ability. Maybe there is somebody out there who does have ability and maybe that person is Rosemary Altea. You aren't even open to that possibility. Maybe you are wrong so therefore everything you are saying is false accusations. That is negative from the start. I'm not even sure you are even aware of the many ways that Rosemary has helped many people. Did you even think that that could be possible no because all your focussing on is proving that these people have no ability. Afterall Rosemary has been the victim here and she definitely has not harmed anyone else,
and before you make these accusations you should get your facts right.
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written by JeffWagg, June 28, 2009
@shininglight
People take the challenge frequently. In fact, we have a long backlog. Why would they want to take the challenge? It's $1,000,000!! And if they're wealthy and don't need the money, how can they be so selfish as to not spend 30 minutes and win the money for their favorite charity? The money is real.. the challenge is designed by the applicant. No you tell me why she won't apply...
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written by Rogue Medic, June 28, 2009
@shining light,

Afterall Rosemary has been the victim here and she definitely has not harmed anyone else,



How do you not harm anyone else, when you are committing fraud?

Taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from people by pretending to have this imaginary ability is fraud.


and before you make these accusations you should get your facts right.



You are the one confused about the facts. As JeffWagg pointed out, psychics do try to demonstrate that they have ability. At least those who have any kind of confidence in their abilities. Not Rosemary Bogus Altea.

It is cruel to deceive people as Rosemary Bogus Altea does. I do not consider a victimizer to be a victim, even when on the losing end of a fraud, for a change.

Maybe this is just the souls of those victimized by Rosemary Bogus Altea working against her. smilies/shocked.gif
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written by shining light, June 29, 2009
You continue to claim someone is a fraud, but how do you know....you just think you know???? Have you seen her????...So the point is you've decided she is a fraud just because she won't take the test....Maybe she won't take the test because she actually isn't a fraud and knows all about how you people are, maybe she actaul know that you are the frauds here...Anyone who goes out and passes false information around about other people, you do... I would say that is all out lieing, and a Fraud... Which is what you are being caught doing ...As I said before you should have made sure your data was correct before you posted it..If your data was correct and you weren't the liars I would not be having this conversation with you...Get it!!!! smilies/smiley.gifI have seen others comment over and over on this site about how you have a habit of doing this and as I can recall others calling you "hypocrites"..I'm sorry but I would have to agree you can't call someone one thing (especially when their not) and then do the same yourself and not be a hypocrite!!!! You really need to give your head a shake....
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@shining light
written by CasaRojo, June 29, 2009
"Maybe she won't take the test because she actually isn't a fraud and knows all about how you people are, maybe she actaul know that you are the frauds here."

Then she'd should sue all of us for slander. Bet she won't as she'd have to prove that she's not the liar/cheat/charleton/fraud. She can't do that and she knows it.
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Fallacies galore. Bravo!
written by HunterSoul, June 29, 2009
You should all be very proud of yourselves for giving such great examples of some of the fallacies I mentioned earlier, I see hasty generalizations, ad populum, ad hominem, appeal to ignorance, red herring, false dichotomy, and begging the question. Oh I am sure there are more but I will stop there.

Basically this mean you all have very weak arguments, you stray from the premise and you love to ride the bandwagon.

Something I learned in grade school - a stong argument looks at all the sides and the possibilities whether or not you like them. They also ask you to be accurate and fair to "your opponent" of which many of you aren't folloing this process. Many of you are mean, inaccurate and small minded.

Broad claims need more proof that more narrow ones so it wouldn't be fitting in this type of srgument to lump all psychics together.

I think what you all really want is to find the person that can prove to you there is life after death, we are all watched from those that have passed, you can communicate and receive messages from beyond.

Me thinks you protesteth too much.

I guess I'll spend my time and energy on reasonable individuals that are willing to have an open mind and can be polite in discussing differences and give the benefit of the doubt when they don't have the answer until they search for the truth and find it themselves.

Because I have witnessed the look on people's faces over and over again when Rosmeary Altea has given them messages especially when she has not spoken to them previously, had no idea they were coming because they had to buy tickets when arriving and she would have no other way to know what she knew, there is no doubt in my mind that she is genuine.

But you go ahead and believe what you want - you're the ones missing out.
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@HunterSoul
written by CasaRojo, June 29, 2009
"there is no doubt in my mind that she is genuine. "

Because that's what you *want* to believe.
Proof proof proof proof proof. Prove it! Most people are easily fooled. That is a totally human attribute. I speak from a whole lot of experience. And most is from very sad and avoidable experiences.

"you're the ones missing out."

Missing out on what? A wealth of frothy emotionalism? Warm fuzzies? Missing out giving Altea and the like our hard earned money? For what? For absolutely nothing.....

I'll bet that few skeptics, if any, would not want to believe/know that we're united with passed loved ones when we die. The problem is, that we truly have no reason to believe that it is so. The people that do have "faith", have it because people like Altea confirm (with ever so flimsy "evidence")what they want to hear. Many are fooled because they are unfamiliar with her cheating techniques. Many will believe no matter what, because they *want* to believe and those are the people that will keep Altea in business. She and her type prey on the ignorant and the desperate. That's pretty low in my book and certainly not worthy of respect of any sort. smilies/angry.gif
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written by Rogue Medic, June 29, 2009
Let's look at how these 2 acolytes of Rosemary Bogus Altea think.

It's true because she says it is true.

She says it is true because it is true.

Repeat as often as necessary.

Anybody not convinced by this circular logic is ignoring logic, although only circular logic.

Until these frauds come up with some evidence that their often tested, continuous failures, might do something other than deprive gullible people of their money, then deal with being called frauds.

Put up or shut up.
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written by shining light, June 29, 2009
You are completely missing the point here. You are saying she is a fraud on false information...Therefore you are actually the frauds...simple...end of story!!!!
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written by Rogue Medic, June 29, 2009
@$hining light and Hunter $oul,

You are completely missing the point here. You are saying she is a fraud on false information...Therefore you are actually the frauds...simple...end of story!!!!


Consider this.

I am invisible.

I tell you this is true.

You cannot prove that I am wrong.

Therefore you are completely full of it if you do not accept that I am invisible.

I can teach you how to be invisible. Send $10,000.00 money order to JREF and I will provide the first lesson in being invisible. If you do not do this, because how could you possibly refuse this incredible opportunity. I am waiting.

Your standards of skepticism prove that I am invisible.


Because I have witnessed the look on people's faces over and over again when Rosmeary Altea has given them messages especially when she has not spoken to them previously, had no idea they were coming because they had to buy tickets when arriving and she would have no other way to know what she knew, there is no doubt in my mind that she is genuine.


You are part of her sales team, aren't you? Maybe you mix with the victims to gather information to feed to Bogus, so that she sounds as if she actually knows something.

This is just a part of the con. You can also get the person to give you the information by cold reading. It is not that hard to learn. It is not supernatural.

The big thing these frauds have going for them. Seeing is deceiving. They see what the con artist wants them to see, then they believe the deception. It isn't as if the dead person can come back and point out the many lies of Rosemary Bogus Altea.

That is why my ability is better. I do not rely on fooling the eye. I really am invisible. You cannot see me.
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This is just sad.
written by BillyJoe, June 29, 2009
I often wonder what these fakes think of the people who support them thinking they are real.

I feel just sad enough for them to hope that the fakes all get hammered by people they trust.
...such as in the case of Rosemary Altea.
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written by CasaRojo, June 30, 2009
"I often wonder what these fakes think of the people who support them thinking they are real"

There's a sucker born every second? Where in the world are the most suckers? Wonder how soon this one's gonna die? They're so cute? Nice pet? This one's a bit far out there even for me?... prolly not.
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written by Steel Rat, July 09, 2009
The sad thing is that Rosemary "earned" enough money from her readings to actually allow for $200,000 to be stolen.


Further proof that one doesn't need to do something that works to make money (re: the ChOPRAH article)
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written by Daphne, November 22, 2009
I found your website when looking into info on this " Eagle and the Rose". I had never heard of Rosemary Altea and was indeed ready to buy the book when I found you.
I am inneed trying to understand the things I have experienced in my life.
Do I clame to be psychic, NO! But have been witness to many things that has come to pass, By way of touch, smell, feel, see w/my eyes, dream. Can I bring it too at will, NO! It comes on its own, I have no control. Cant call it forward, cant turn it on or off at will.
And I do not advertise. Or get paid.
I use to be afraid when i was young and pray to god NOT to show me things that were evil. And pray every night no spirit good or evil be allowed into my bedroom.
I have come to except this "thing" as a gift. Thou at times it can be upsetting. And all your left with are overwhelming feelings. And the need to pass it on.
What good does it do when no one believes you?
Sometimes we are just a messanger for the dead. But I am truly honored. And would never take money.
Just wish I was more incontrol, and had better answers.
So thanks! I have decieded not to buy the book.
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written by BillyJoe, November 22, 2009
Daphne,

When you say that you "have no control", that you "cannot summon it at will", that you "cannot turn it on and off at will", that it "comes on its own", how do you distinguish what you think is happening from pure random chance.

I was thinking of a friend I hadn't seen for a long time, there was a knock on the door and there she was. Is that something special or just coincidence. I probably think of people I know all the time but mostly they don't suddenly turn up when I'm thinking of them so I don't remember all those occasions. So, when it does happen it feels special.

regards,
BJ
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