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Written by Phil Plait   

We skeptics can rant and rail against homeopathy, how it's useless, how it's nothing more than water, how there is no real methodology or mechanics behind it, how it's been shown over and over not to have any efficacy over the placebo effect... ... but sometimes simple mockery is the best way to sway people's hearts.

 


 

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Homeo-pathé
written by Michael K Gray, July 08, 2009
Phil, you are 100% correct.
Others have sung the praises of British intellectual humour enough for me to add anything vaguely waxing,
save to suggest that this might not be quite the correct stratagem with one Mr. Justice Eady?
(I understand that Homœpathy & Chiro-quacktic are two distinct forms of delusion/fraud, but they are quite close enough for the sake of my comparison)

Let us all mock them both, in equal measure.
I laugh in their general direction!
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Yep. Long overdue.
written by BillyJoe, July 08, 2009
"Whoa, strong stuff!"

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Wonderful!
written by GusGus, July 08, 2009
Homeopathic "Wonderful!":

"w....."

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written by BillyJoe, July 08, 2009
Homeopathic "Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonderful!": "woo"
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written by Kuroyume, July 08, 2009
"That Mitchell and Webb Look" is an amazing set of comedy skits. This one is Brilliant!

Wish that this could get that 'out there' more directly.

Thanks for the laugh! smilies/smiley.gif
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written by The_Libertarian_Otaku, July 08, 2009
That sketch was quite funny.

Homeopathic beer: The absence of beer is supposed to get you buzzed! smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Dooyoowoowoo, July 08, 2009
More mockery from them, this time religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfqht0LEOWQ&feature=related
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written by Dropofahat, July 08, 2009
On first glance, seeing what I perceived to be a large blank space (containing a lone renegade comma) below the opening sentence, I thought that THAT was the "mockery".

I imagined the nearly-blank space as a 100X dilution of... well... typeface. So that all that was left was a comma, which (by their terms) would be a strong statement indeed.

For a brief moment, I was kind of awed by the very esoteric, cerebral, albeit unusual (even for this site!) humor. But then I spotted the link, and the moment passed.

I wonder if I was the only one to think that...?
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written by BillyJoe, July 08, 2009
What? You now think that was an error???
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There's more than mockery in the message.
written by Skeptigirl, July 08, 2009
It makes the point by forcing the observer to examine some truths about their beliefs which they otherwise would not examine. Our brains are so readily able to deceive us. We select (or filter) which aspects of incoming information to pay attention to and which elements to give credibility to.

When a believer in homeopathy receives information on homeopathy via the usual format, the believer is able to filter out or discount the illogical nature of the dilutions and only attend to the 'alternative medicine/anti-establishment/anecdotal evidence is valid' aspects thereby rationalizing the belief. The video presents the logic in a way which cannot be easily filtered out or rationalized as coming from an unreliable source.

The comedians get around what would normally be discounting the message because of the messenger. A homeopathy believer might have discounted information from a person they viewed as biased by the medical establishment. But a comedian is removed from the medical establishment. Discounting the source can still occur but it is harder to do so.

Seeing the homeopathy used when a person was in serious trouble forces the believer to confront such a fact which the believer would otherwise conveniently not consider when rationalizing the benefits of homeopathy.

And the beer puts perspective on the illogical nature of homeopathy but in a disarmed situation. It removes the defense mechanism of rationalizing the medical establishment is covering up or ignoring homeopathy because it isn't established medicine.
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written by Skeptigirl, July 08, 2009
written by Dropofahat, July 08, 2009...
I wonder if I was the only one to think that...?
Some of us had already seen the video as there is a thread on it in the forum. So we knew what Dr P was on about.
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written by Steel Rat, July 09, 2009
Mockery is ok as long as it's not all you have. If you can't back up your beliefs/science, then mockery is seen as the last defense of the weak-principled.
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Perhaps Phil should have said, satire.
written by Skeptigirl, July 09, 2009
written by Steel Rat, July 09, 2009
Mockery is ok as long as it's not all you have. If you can't back up your beliefs/science, then mockery is seen as the last defense of the weak-principled.
In this case, you are confusing satire with ridicule. However, you are not at fault for the terminology Phil used, which likely included his personal disdain for this 'bad' medicine.
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written by Steel Rat, July 09, 2009
In this case, you are confusing satire with ridicule. However, you are not at fault for the terminology Phil used, which likely included his personal disdain for this 'bad' medicine.


Well, they are pretty much the same thing. Thesaurus.reference.com defines Satire as "ridicule intended to expose truth". The only difference I would note is that Satire is usually wittier, whereas ridicule can simply be abuse.
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written by BillyJoe, July 09, 2009
Satire is softer and cleverer than ridicule.
Ridicule uses a hammer blow.
Satire uses a feather pen.
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written by Steel Rat, July 09, 2009
Depending on who's doing it. It's a matter of perspective.
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A'hem... Intended to expose THE TRUTH
written by Skeptigirl, July 09, 2009
written by Steel Rat, July 09, 2009
Well, they are pretty much the same thing. Thesaurus.reference.com defines Satire as "ridicule intended to expose truth". The only difference I would note is that Satire is usually wittier, whereas ridicule can simply be abuse.

Which pretty much clears up your objection:
written by Steel Rat, July 09, 2009
Mockery is ok as long as it's not all you have. If you can't back up your beliefs/science, then mockery is seen as the last defense of the weak-principled.

That is unless you actually think science cannot back up the conclusion that homeopathy is 'bad' medicine. smilies/cool.gif
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written by Steel Rat, July 09, 2009
Which pretty much clears up your objection:


Only if it actually does what it intends. And you seemed to not want to acknowledge that satire and ridicule are largely the same thing, since you didn't bold that part.

That is unless you actually think science cannot back up the conclusion that homeopathy is 'bad' medicine.


Again, it depends on how well the mockery/satire/ridicule is executed. I know that science has already shown that Homeopathy is a non-starter, but advocates don't see it that way.
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Oh I see.
written by BillyJoe, July 10, 2009
Satire:
Of course you are correct my dear friend, Ratty. I will immediately collect together all my dictionaries and strike out the word "ridicule". It will no longer be required as I can perfectly put "satire" in its place.

Ridicule:
What? Are you mad, Rat? You expect me to replace every mention of the word "satire" with "ridicule"? Do you understand how completely stupid that sounds or are you even further gone than that?

BJ
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Teeth Whitening
written by Teeth Whitening, July 10, 2009
Homeopathology is such a very nice treatment trophy.it has no any side-effect.when i need treatment i use only homeopathology.
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Resveratrol
written by CarolineAtkins, July 11, 2009
Now a days Resveratrol considered as the most potent anti oxidant of 21st century. Resveratrol is found in the skin of certain plants such as red grapes, raspberries, mulberries, blueberries, cranberries and red wine. It is mostly concentrated in red wine. It is known as 'phytolexin', which is produced by plants to fight the bacterial and fungal infections of the plant.

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written by Steel Rat, July 11, 2009
Of course you are correct my dear friend, Ratty. I will immediately collect together all my dictionaries and strike out the word "ridicule". It will no longer be required as I can perfectly put "satire" in its place.


Actually I would call that sarcasm. You have a beef with thesaurus.reference.com, who says satire is ridicule... Don't come crying to me. And of course, no one said to get rid of one word over another. But to say that satire isn't a form is ridicule is incorrect.
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written by Skeptigirl, July 11, 2009
written by Steel Rat, July 09, 2009
Only if it actually does what it intends. And you seemed to not want to acknowledge that satire and ridicule are largely the same thing, since you didn't bold that part....
Again, it depends on how well the mockery/satire/ridicule is executed. I know that science has already shown that Homeopathy is a non-starter, but advocates don't see it that way.
Could you clarify what you are talking about?

If you are talking about this particular homeopathy satire, then your comments are not addressing the facts. The science is there, the satire is appropriate. I have clearly said, "in this case" while your comments appear to be addressing something else.

You are arguing with some figment of your imagination. Perhaps it would help if you clarified just what it is you are referring to, this case, or, my comment that satire was a useful means of communication when just presenting the facts is not effective.
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written by Steel Rat, July 11, 2009
I mean, if you're mocking/ridiculing/satirizing for the sake of it, without presenting any factual argument along with it, then you're just attacking. Doesn't matter which case it is. It's applicable to any argument/debate.

I haven't said that mocking/ridiculing/satirizing isn't effective, but it needs facts to back it up.
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Of geese and ducks.
written by BillyJoe, July 11, 2009
The facts are out there and thay have been out there unchallenged for quite a long time now.
There is no mechanism and there is no evidence from properly conducted trials of any effect from homoeopathy.
I don't think we need any longer bring all this factual argument along with us whenever we ridicule or satirise homoeopathy.
The duck has been well and truly cooked, eaten, digested, and the remants cleaned up and trashed.

BJ
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written by Steel Rat, July 12, 2009
Only for those who know. New people are introduced to Homeopathy all the time, and they may not know the facts.
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written by BillyJoe, July 12, 2009
To those who ask shall be given.
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written by Skeptigirl, July 12, 2009
written by Steel Rat, July 11, 2009
I mean, if you're mocking/ridiculing/satirizing for the sake of it, without presenting any factual argument along with it, then you're just attacking.
So who the hell is suggesting anyone do that?

written by Steel Rat, July 11, 2009
Doesn't matter which case it is. It's applicable to any argument/debate....I haven't said that mocking/ridiculing/satirizing isn't effective, but it needs facts to back it up.
Are you suggesting every piece of satire be accompanied by an educational piece? I doubt many would agree with you there.

written by Steel Rat, July 12, 2009
Only for those who know. New people are introduced to Homeopathy all the time, and they may not know the facts.
And if that video were shown to someone who had never heard of homeopathy, it might peak their curiosity to investigate and they'd be primed to look for the absurdity of it, like a pre-exposure immunization.

If they had heard of homeopathy but weren't aware of the principles, the same result is possible. They'd look into the stuff they had perhaps taken for granted and be shocked at the stupidity of it.

If they were familiar with homeopathy, the video breaks down the communication barriers, (see my first post above titled, "There's more than mockery in the message."


You have no case here.


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written by Steel Rat, July 12, 2009
Then just carry on mocking, then. Pay no attention to me.
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