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Trying Another Approach PDF Print E-mail
Swift
Written by Jeff Wagg   

solarballoonJREF supporter Michael Streib sent this to me, and I thought it worth sharing:

A couple weeks ago, a relative of mine who embraces all manner of woo emailed me a flyer, a copy of which can be seen here.  It announces one of a series of seminars presented by Dr. Stephen Greer, a man who claims to be able to summon extraterrestrials through the use of telepathy.  Over the years, this relative and I have gone back and forth repeatedly on the odds of aliens visiting this planet, the need for experimental data, burden of proof, etc.  Rather than hash that out again, I decided to approach it from a different angle.

Let's suppose for a moment that Dr. Greer has precisely what he says he has: 100% proof, beyond a shadow of a doubt, of the existence not only of extraterrestrials and their technology, but also the telepathic abilities needed to communicate with them.  This knowledge would be the single most important discovery in all of history, revolutionizing the world, accelerating us far beyond what the Scientific Revolution ever did, and bringing about a golden age of mankind.  So, what are his options?

1)  Tell the authorities.  Even assuming some nebulous agency wants to keep the lid on this, "the government" is vast and is not composed of a hive mind, as conspiracy theorists seem to imply.  He could tell his Senator, his Representative, his Governor, the mayor, or any one of hundreds of thousands of people who represent "the government" whose career could be advanced or whose sense of altruism could be fulfilled with the release of this knowledge.  They can't all be "in on it".

2) Tell the media.  Like the government, there is a wide range of avenues open, and "They" can't be successfully intimidating everyone.  There are still Woodwards and Bernsteins out there for whom such an exposé would guarantee a Pulitzer Prize, untold riches, and worldwide fame.  The headline on the front of The New York Times would eclipse "Dewey Defeats Truman" for all eternity.   Finally, the government cover-up would keep every able-bodied reporter in the nation employed for years.

3) Tell private businesses.  Go to Ted Turner, Bill Gates, or Richard Branson.  Go to Lockheed-Martin, IBM, or GM.  Go to the CEO of any one of hundreds of companies that are on the verge of bankruptcy and tell them you can provide technology that will guarantee dominance over the competition for decades or longer.

4) Tell the world.  We are rather insular and tend to forget that the U.S. is only one nation among many.  Knowledge of otherwordly entities would have worldwide ramifications and should be dealt with on a planetary scale.  If the U.S. government, media and private business all turn a blind eye, there are hundreds of thousands of additional outlets across the globe.

5) Tell James Randi.  Randi has a standing offer of $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove such a thing.  Surely this would go a long way toward solving any financial difficulties this man may have.

So which option did he select?  None of them.  Instead, he holds seminars for the scientifically illiterate to pay $175 each to attend.  Not only is this a singularly ineffective way to get the word out, it is scientifically immoral.  Scientists do not charge each other for access to their data, nor do they leave it up to the general public to decide if it is valid.  Rather, they write up their research and submit it to a peer-reviewed publication where it can be judged and tested by scientists everywhere.

Ignoring for the moment the validity of his information and considering only how he has chosen to disseminate it,  the only conclusion I can come to is that he is either a fraud or exceptionally stupid.  You can guess which one I'm leaning towards.

Michael, thank you so much for sharing that with us. Greer's claims simply do not make sense, and you've done an excellent job of showing that his actions don't either.

If you're wondering about the picture in this article, I took that from Greer's site. It is an example of a so-called UFO, however I refer to it as an IFO (Identified Floating Object), as it is very well known to me. In fact, it is in my kitchen: I bought for my kids this summer. You can own one too by following this link.

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written by daveg703, October 06, 2009
Excellent! A very direct and concise exposé of someone with an egocentric agenda of proliferating woo in defiance of every option available to one with even a shred of common sense. Obviously, greed and ego are Greer's principal motivating factors in presenting these "seminars".
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written by Otara, October 06, 2009
goig y the link the guy in question claims to have "done briefings for CIA Directors, heads of state, Congress, senior Pentagon officials, and senior scientific leaders."

He's claiming that they have a policy of secrecy and he's trying to overcome it. So any suggestions of contacting the people above can easily be explained away by saying he did and it was silenced. We of course say thats ridiculous and then they can feel special because they're not all naive like we are.

The whole point of this shtick is that the above has happened and only you the special person can help end the conspiracy, making you extra special. Deriding it with the above as a result tends to reinforce it to believers, rather than debunking it. For a start you're telling them they cant be part of something special, which is making you a spoilsport from the getgo.


Btw the 'advance
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Obvious - in its literal sense
written by Michael K Gray, October 06, 2009
Obvious (from the Latin) or Ob-Via: "In the way of the path" is precisely the game in which these characters are engaged.
"Show the way", then "get in the way".
They KNOW that their bogus unsupportable nonsense would be exposed for what it is, should it be subjected to rational enquiry.
But we all have to earn a crust.
I do it by being honest.
They (the 'extraterrestrial homeopathic telepathetic feng shui bovine-extreta blatherers) do it by being a deceptive parasite.
At least the 'alien woo-woos' don't have the endemic cover of the Church of Mafia (Roman Catholicism) by which to commit crimes, and escape the consequences!
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written by Squid, October 07, 2009
Wasn't this the guy who wanted to bring automatic weapons to the Million Dollar Challenge? Or was that someone else? If it was someone else, they're both claiming the ability to call down UFOs by telepathy.

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Another Option
written by ConTester, October 07, 2009
Or…
6) Show the world a hitherto unknown technological novelty (or the plans for such), something that is not readily achievable with our current level of technological sophistication. Maybe even patent it. With telepathic communication, there should be little difficulty with conveying the requisite detail.
Peripherally, it is amusing to note that aliens from space are always super-advanced and have actively sought Earth and humanity out in order to bring us worn-out, tawdry clichés about peace, love and understanding because they know exactly what social ills plague us. These aliens never bring us something useful that we did not have before, say cures for various pervasive diseases or solutions to pressing technological problems. Nor do we ever get aliens who happened to find us quite by accident. In short, aliens never manage to astonish us.
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@otara
written by tctheunbeliever, October 07, 2009
That reminds me of the 9/11 Truthers, who point to the large amount of evidence they have for their case; of course, most of it has been disproven point by point by witnesses, firemen, demolition experts, and others who are in a better position to know the truth (not the Truth), but that doesn't matter to them. They'll keep finding more scraps, and be proven wrong again and again. Same thing for Creationists. And "moon landing hoax" types. And JFK conspiracy theorists...

Yes, it was just a crazy guy with a rifle.

Well, I should have some rabid enemies now.
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written by Rrose Selavy, October 07, 2009
Swift, named for Jonathan Swift, is the JREF's daily blog, featuring content from James Randi, the JREF staff, and other feautured (sic) authors.

It's stil there........
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More of the same "Disclosure" nonsense
written by ghostchaser, October 07, 2009
Mr. Greer is one of the worst.
However he is just one of the many people riding "Disclosure" to the bank.

If you are interested in this subject I suggest that you look at some of his counterparts:
Dr. Clifford Stone - Claims that we have documented 57 different types of Alien.
Bob Lazar - One of the first and possibly most documented frauds in the field.
William Levengood - Claims that even if people are making crop circles they were inspired via esp by Aliens.
Deborah Lindenman - A world famous Hypnotist specializing in abductee regression. If you don't know about regression Google implanted memory & satanic ritual abuse.
The list goes on and on but they are all pushing the "truth" all the way to the bank.
Notice that they like to push the "Dr" qualification around a lot. This does seem to make them more credible to the general public, however the majority of them either have thier degrees in a field that is not related to research or from a diploma mill.

We also need to remember that a few years ago Dr. Greer claimed that he had an "Alien baby" in his possession but then changed the story to having only seen a video of it.

The reason behind my groups research into this is because of the Denver E.T. Commission. This is one of Dr. Greers main projects and we have become the main opposition to them.
You can see more info on our site about the E.T. Commission at denveretcommission.org

Remember.. as Carl Sagan said:
"I think that the alien abduction enthusiasts understand the need for physical evidence. It's a pathway to some degree of respectability. And for 40 years, they've been telling us that the real evidence is just around the corner, it's about to be released, it's being studied at this moment - and nothing ever comes of it."

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@tctheunbeliever
written by kontakt@tommyfinke.de, October 07, 2009
I understand your point, but as a skeptic, you should apply the same high standarts of investigation to 9/11.
An anecdotal report by a witness or a fireman is nothing more than a story. Please keep that in mind.
The people arguing there is some conspiracy behind 9/11 have never been near a real fact. They get firemen on the news, housewives on television, maybe even an expert on Larry King. But that still is not the presentation of facts.
What I am trying to say is: We skeptics are often saying "Jesus :-), why don't they just see the facts?" Because they are never presented to them. Those people don't know there was some mathematic explanation for the way the towers burnt down so fast. And if some of them could get one or two papers of the calculations, those would probably seem cryptical to them. So the way to argue with people believing in something you found out to be very wrong is to show them the evidence in a way they can fully understand.
I am not sure what this way might be in all situations, but it is important anyway, because it shows respect.
And sometimes in this argumentation against non-skeptics, we forget that respect should always matter.
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Alien Visits
written by StarTrekLivz, October 07, 2009
If technologically advanced species DID reach Earth, they would probably study us, as Jane Goodall studied chimpanzees in Africa, or Margaret Meade with various aboriginal peoples, not try to enter into treaties or alliances with us. What could we possibly have to offer? Unless they have intentions like the classic "Twilight Zone" episode, "To Serve Man" (it's a cookbook ......).

Or if they have something like "The Prime Directive" (non-interference with primitive cultures) like Star Trek smilies/grin.gif
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Blurry...
written by IanKoro, October 07, 2009
There's something really funny about a UFO expert whose photo of himself on his website is so blurry he's difficult to distinguish.
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written by LovleAnjel, October 07, 2009
Arg! Someone beat me to the TZ reference.

@ConTester, you have forgotten those aliens whose only purpose in visiting seems to be the sexual molestation of humans. That intelligent beings would spend the time and energy to come to Earth and just diddle some farmers seems pretty astonishing to me.
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written by wardenclyffe, October 07, 2009
I hope there's a follow up from Michael in which he describes his relative's reaction to the new approach. I hope it worked.

Ward
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Here's yet another approach I wasn't expecting
written by kunjamuk, October 07, 2009
Another approach? Guess what I got in the mail today!
The latest Edmund Scientific Catalog,
"The Brightest Minds Think Edmund Scientific."
On page 9, "Tech Geek" at upper right...Bottom left next to the Periodic Table
Jigsaw Puzzle... Remote Viewing DVD NEW!
"Learn the Intuitive Science of ESP"
(smaller print)
"In 1995, the CIA admitted to sponsoring a highly classified government program called STARGATE where "psychic spies" would remotely view peaple, places and events.
etc. etc."
Continuing.."Since the RV program is no longer classified, Lyn BUchanan now shares the techniques he independently developed..." etc.

Here's "another approach" in psychic marketing..."scientific" catalogs.
mc
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Government conspiracy?
written by mist, October 07, 2009
Great article! Another thing to consider is that if aliens existed and the government had the resources and will to keep them secret, they would've also made this 'Dr. Greer' disappear by now. I mean, it's not like those workshops are a secret. smilies/smiley.gif
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Government Conspiracies
written by StarTrekLivz, October 07, 2009
and as if the government COULD keep a secret that big (UFOs) secret for months, let alone decades .....
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written by Steel Rat, October 07, 2009
If technologically advanced species DID reach Earth, they would probably study us, as Jane Goodall studied chimpanzees in Africa, or Margaret Meade with various aboriginal peoples, not try to enter into treaties or alliances with us. What could we possibly have to offer? Unless they have intentions like the classic "Twilight Zone" episode, "To Serve Man" (it's a cookbook ......).


Since you mentioned Star Trek, you obviously know that humans can teach all alien species something. We always seem to know more than they do, regardless of how much more ancient they are. Yeah, it's bollocks. smilies/grin.gif
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Human Intelligence - @Steel Rat
written by StarTrekLivz, October 07, 2009
yes, like Jeff Goldblum with his Mac was able to create a virus so clever it took down the alien mother ship in Independence Day (a variation on H.G. Wells War of the Worlds) without them being able to figure it out....
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Anecdotal evidence
written by skepticnj, October 07, 2009
ALL the UFO evidence (including photos) is anecdotal. It's been said before: "The plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data." So, woo-persons: Don't TELL me - SHOW me.
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@kontak
written by tctheunbeliever, October 07, 2009
I'm reminded of a cartoon I found somewhere on the Internet: in the first panel a clergyman is whacking an atheist over the head with a huge cross while calling him an idiot, pervert, commie, blasphemer, etc. In the second panel the atheist now has the cross and is about to break it over his knee, and the man of god is pleading for "respect".
Factual analysis by experts in firefighting, demolition, etc., explaining what "pull it" means to a fireman, or what controlled demolitions look like, are not the same things as anecdotes, and contradictory eyewitness reports can indicate that someone is mistaken or disingenuous(and yes, of course, memory is unreliable).
Please keep that in mind. Respect is earned.
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@tctheunbeliever
written by TF, October 07, 2009
Your are definitely right. Maybe I stop respecting a guy after he has been hitting me with his cross all the time. :-)
But I still think as long as something is just told me, by whomever, I must ask questions. As part of my own socialisation I am more likely to accept the scientific version of a story. But when I think about that very point, I must confess this IS just because of how I grew up and what I was taught.
But if I look deeper, there is no real difference between 2 persons I meet telling me different versions of the same incident. Isn't this just why the JREF has a million dollar challenge? As long as someone just says something can be done, it is just said. But there has to be proof.
(Well in real life, I am not that stupid to believe woo woo, but this is a theoretical concept which helps me understanding some reactions of people, who do believe.)
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conspiracies
written by Sadhatter, October 08, 2009
It never ceases to amaze me the logic of conspiracy theorists.

The government is all powerfull, and unified beyond any tampering. They manage to intimidate agencies, scientists, and media outlets. And can do anything they please.

Yet.

No matter what woo-spiricy is being flung, the hero is always a poorly qualified individual that takes no steps in protecting themselves or their identity.

I mean if i was up against some tom clancy wet dream. I would have some armed close friends by at all times, or be well and obviously armed myself, or a bullet proof vest, or hell DONT GO OUT IN PUBLIC seems like a good idea. What i would not do is hold a seminar in a public place, where everyone with 175 dollars can get in.

I mean i know the government is going through some hard economic times, but does this man seriously believe that they couldn't wrangle up 175 for a ticket, and 1.25 for a bullet? And if that is a correct guess on his reasons, THIS is the man the aliens choose to communicate with? I cannot begin to imagine that meeting on the mothership.

" so Zog, we have been hidden to the humans by their corrupt governments for decades, you have finally found someone to bring us to their attention, to let them know of the limitless gifts we have for them?"

"yes sir"

" and how is he going to thwart the governments evil plans?"

" Well he plans on charging a moderately high price for admission while i make small talk with him."

" your fired Zog"

I could rant all day about how silly conspiracy thinking is, but the watchmen put it better than i ever could, when rorshack is simply exploded.
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Looking forward to meeting them
written by TREVOR PATTISON, December 02, 2009
You lot do write a lot. I cant be doing with all that reading, but I would enjoy meeting aliens and cant wait.
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