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Trituration Proving of the Light of Saturn PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Harriet Hall   
Monday, 26 October 2009 00:00

Homeopathy is based on the idea that "like cures like" and the "law of infinitesimals." If coffee keeps you awake, diluted coffee should cure insomnia. The less coffee, the stronger the effect. You can even dilute away all the molecules of coffee: the water will remember it. To figure out which remedies work for which symptoms, homeopathy has its own experimental process called "proving." They have a number of healthy people take a remedy and report all the symptoms they experience for an undetermined period of time, including things like "dreams of robbers." Then they list all these symptoms in a book so you can look up the ones that match your own symptoms to choose a remedy.

I have just read a hilarious account of a proving at www.interhomeopathy.org. It sounds like a parody, but it isn't. It was published in an online international homeopathy journal established in 2006.

Apparently you don't even need to take the remedy to do a proving: all you need to do is participate in preparing a remedy by trituration. Six people took milk sugar that had been exposed to a telescope focused on Saturn. They ground and scraped the milk sugar in a process that diluted it 1:100 three times in succession, to make a 3C remedy (one part of Saturn-exposed sugar to 1,000,000 parts of unexposed sugar). Two of the participants weren't even blinded as to what they were testing, and there were no controls.

The article starts with free association blathering about what Saturn "means": the planet, the myth, the astrology, and the alleged associations with the structure of the human body. Then it relates everything the participants talked about: how they giggled, discussed everything from drug experiences to disasters, from pizza to their favorite Beatles songs. Apparently they believe these conversations were somehow directed by the remedy. They found it amazing and significant that one person spontaneously drew a Horned Pan figure.

Next they list all the symptoms the participants reported: itching, numbness, runny nose, hands sweating, incoordination - spilling milk sugar (It wasn't my fault: the sugar made me spill it?), eyes tired and heavy, etc.

Out of all this mishmash of "data" (=noise), they somehow arrived at the conclusion that the diluted remedy might be effective for accident-related trauma, bone and nerve damage, and allergies. I found the whole business very effective for inducing hysterical laughter.

This article should be required reading for anyone thinking of trying a homeopathic remedy.

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written by emactan, October 25, 2009
Pseudoscience has a way of getting sillier and sillier as its proponents pursue research and "make progress."
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Don't laugh, this is brilliant!
written by kdv, October 25, 2009
You just don't get it do you? You start with stupidity, then you dilute it and dilute it and dilute it in noise, until there is absolutely nothing left at all other than noise. And, of course, by homeopathic principles, that makes it a work of absolute genius!

You have to give them credit for consistency! smilies/wink.gif
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written by Mark P, October 25, 2009
Oh boy! I followed a link through to a discussion on homeopathic carbon.
http://www.interhomeopathy.org...eling_of/

Apparently this fool wishes to move Carbon. Number of electrons be dammed, Carbon just doesn't belong as #6 !!

What is the point of even looking at a periodic table if you aren't interested in real chemistry? I struggle to understand the motivation of people like this. Either you know what the periodic table means or you don't. It's not something that can be played with.

I feel dirty. smilies/cry.gif

I blame you Harriet! I would never have read this foolishness without your link.
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Alt med and astrology
written by eddedmondson, October 26, 2009
This variant of idiocy is being discussed in our parliament!
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/...14b.412.2
There's a member of parliament who wants 5 million pounds of taxpayers' money to research this craziness.
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written by eddedmondson, October 26, 2009
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/...-14b.412.2 - sorry I didn't realise it would get truncated
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written by Stevee, October 26, 2009
I was gonna be flip and post WTF smilies/shocked.gif

But I cannot believe how gullible and stupid people are. I truely despair of human kind sometimes.
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written by GMJ, October 26, 2009
"This article should be required reading for anyone thinking of trying a homeopathic remedy."

It should also be required reading for anyone doing a study of psychotic thinking.

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written by daijiyobu, October 26, 2009
Back in 1999 thereabouts, I was a student in at a CT ND program [which I left].

Anyway, I remember one instructor who diagnosed patients with a pendulum, and was so paranoid of computer monitors that she instructed students on how to make a homeopathic remedy of 'computer monitor' for protection.

I was a similar method: expose the material for the remedy to the source, then shake and dilute, shake and dilute.

I dislike homeopathy so much I wrote a satire [somewhat profane], "I Shot the Homeopath" [see http://satirizinghomeopathy.blogspot.com/ ]. The round, of course, is a blank.

I may use this new proving for another.

-r.c.
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written by pgrissom76, October 26, 2009
These woo's should work smarter not harder. Why go through the trouble of setting up a telescope and then diluting the sample when they can just take the sample outside on a clear night while Saturn is in view and leave it for a while. The few photons of light that will strike there sample should create a pre diluted "remedy". And they get the bonus of a few other planets and stars while the are at it. Expose, stir, and serve! Too easy. Just remove it before the sun rises as you dont want to super saturate the "preperation". smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Alan3354, October 26, 2009
I'm waiting for forms to transfer to another species.
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written by MadScientist, October 26, 2009
Why bother with the telescope? Shouldn't exposure to Saturn without the telescope be far more potent?

The conclusion reminds me of an act by these comedians in the UK - I can never remember their names - but they were playing homeopaths and they were treating a victim of a vehicular accident. The cure was to find out what model car hit the victim, add water ...

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written by Dooyoowoowoo, October 27, 2009
Mitchell and Webb were the comedy duo. At the end of the sketch they drank homeopathic beer i.e. water!
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Ooop!
written by Dooyoowoowoo, October 27, 2009
Forgot to add, they declared the beer "strong stuff" smilies/grin.gif
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They use my favorite image of saturn.
written by Throckmorton, October 27, 2009
The image is Saturn at the top of the homeopathy article is amazing. Here is a better link to this image and it's explaination:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap090111.html

The irony here of course is that the image shows only sunlight. Saturn doesn't have light - not in this image nor in any telescopic image. Planets (in our solar system) only reflect sunlight. So their "remedy" isn't a useless Saturn Homeopathy Remedy, it's a useless Sunlight Homeopathy Remedy.
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Funny? Maybe...
written by malaka, October 27, 2009
First post...

Sorry, but sometimes reading stuff like this (@ www.interhomeopathy.org) just makes me depressed. Sure, sometimes I find it funny. But other times I feel like I'm (we're) fighting a losing battle, and all I can do is shake my head in disbelief. I find myself shaking my head a lot.
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written by DKrap, October 27, 2009
Everyone here has missed one other key failing of this "proving." There is NO LIGHT from Saturn (or the Moon or any other planet)! All light coming "from" a planet is actually light from the Sun that is reflected back to the viewer. So, the light "from" Saturn is actually "old" sunlight in that the light travelled approximately 832 million miles from the Sun to Saturn and then another 740 million miles coming back from Saturn to Earth. Would it not be quicker to just stare at the Sun and get the light "fresh" and first hand?
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written by Dooyoowoowoo, October 27, 2009
Noooo! Thats diluted sunlight! So much better. You get a deeper tan from light refleced from Uranus...

Sory, couldn't resist.
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written by Pacal, November 07, 2009
Don't you guys get it. The light from the Sun has to be diluted first by traveling to Saturn and then back to Earth. The sun light you get is massively diluted and so of course is a much more effective cure!
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