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Written by Sean Sturgeon   
Friday, 06 November 2009 11:37

Twenty five hundred years ago, the Chinese tactician Sun Tzu was a busy guy. He has a lot more free time now, but it was crazy back in the day. When not jotting poems about his kitties onto bamboo strips and ribbing Confucius for being "too preachy," Sun Tzu managed to churn out his masterpiece The Art of War. That book contains the following axiom:

Know your enemy and know yourself, and win a hundred battles without a single loss.

 

At least I assume that's what it contains. I've never even been able to get beyond the second chapter (that's the one on Bo Staff maintenance) without nodding off. Honestly, I only even remember the line because it was in an episode of Star Trek. But whether it's a military genius or one of the few actors to share the screen with both Captain Picard and Matlock, it's still good advice.

Good advice should be followed and not ignored. Yes Ray Comfort, I'm looking at you.

For those who have been lucky enough to never hear of Ray Comfort, let me ruin your day. Comfort is an itinerant evangelist from New Zealand who uses fresh produce and Kirk Cameron to belch forth (among other things) the message that evolution is a lie cooked up by scientists just because they are jerks.1_banana

And yes, I'm aware that "fresh produce and Kirk Cameron" is a redundancy. But to be fair, bananas are better actors, so I feel that the distinction stands

Recently, and because he needs a better hobby, Comfort decided to release a special edition of On the Origin of Species that includes a special introduction by Comfort himself. In the same vein, I'm thinking of re-releasing the guitar solo from "Sultans of Swing" and prefacing it with twelve minutes of me hitting an electric autoharp with a cricket bat.

I'm certainly not comparing the father of modern biology to Mark Knopfler. Darwin was a terrible guitar player. Yeesh.

But you got that other part right, Jim. The guy who needed Kirk Cameron to imbue him with star power and gravitas has decided to edit Charles frikkin' Darwin. I'll take a moment while you absorb that information and wipe up the resulting drool.

As you might imagine, the scientific community has decided to be all tedious and fact-based on the matter and a few people have stepped up to object.

Among them is Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education (NCSE), bane of every cdesign proponentist and the sultry female lead in the PBS documentary Judgment Day, about kicking the crap out of the creationists in Dover.

The inevitable conflict is  now splashed across the pages of the US News & World Report, a publication no less prestigious and awesome for the fact that I thought it had closed down in 1993.

This is not much of a fight. Comfort, after all, is the same the same evil genius who tried to refute two centuries of painstaking research by thousands of scientists with the image of a crocoduck. Not a lot of work needs to go into correcting this guy. There's little mystery to a leaky roof when the hole is nine feet across. Eugenie Scott could have bested this guy in a debate while waiting in line at Starbucks. With a bad headache. And amnesia. While locked in a safe.2_crocoduck

It would be a diminution of Eugenie Scott (Ray calls her ‘Genie', because they are clearly BFF) to point out that Comfort left the debate looking like a slippery, disingenuous weasel because this was also the initial state in which he entered the contest.

A similar disservice would result in trying to recreate the "argument" here since it is little more than Scott swatting down the painfully simplistic claims of a guy who thinks that the highpoint in a debate about religion and science is using props. Even if he weren't reduced to using soda cans to refute a bazillion tons of science, his argument is the same old stuff and can be summed up in three words.

  1. Complexity.
  2. Controversy.
  3. Hitler.

To which I reply:

  1. The complexity in nature is less problematic than the peaceful, open spaces in your mind.
  2. I'm sure Ray finds evolution to be very controversial; my cat takes similar exception to door knobs.
  3. Blaming Darwin for Hitler is like blaming a cow for McDonald's.

Let me quote Ray:

Nothing we have in creation is half evolved. The cow has a working udder to make drinkable milk. The bee has working apparatus to make edible honey. We don't find a half-evolved cow or bee."

Is he talking about evolution by natural selection or Mister Potato Head? This guy actually thinks that folks like Richard Dawkins just sit around nodding lazily as they assent to the Theorem of Natural, but Ridiculously Half-Assed, Selection. In his world, for evolution to work you start with a lump of vanilla organic goo that needs to just lay th3_twinkieere and grow new parts until it becomes an elephant or a cactus or a musician; that's what is actually happening in Ray's mind right now.

Imagine a vast primordial landscape specked with immobile loafs of life waiting patiently for a fully developed feature to pop out like Cheesy Puffs from a vending machine.

When you put it that way, Ray it does seem pretty unlikely. Thanks for clearing that up.

None of the 1.4 million species on the Earth has half an eye. All have the necessary functioning equipment, from the brain, to the teeth, to the eye...

Well, maybe one of them doesn't.

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written by Beamstalk, November 06, 2009
Sadly, Ray will view this article as vindication for his beliefs. The best course of action with the banana man is to ignore him. He only cares about being the center of attention.
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evolution is lie, whether or not scientists are jerks....
written by Davis, November 06, 2009
This article was poorly written, in my opinion.... much too disconnected. But back to the subject, evolution is a ridiculous theory that folds like a cheap tent when seriously studied. But, it fits the worldview of a lot of people and it continues to be taken seriously. This is not an endorsement for creationism, just a comment on evolution.
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written by EvilBiscuit, November 06, 2009
And here I thought I'd never see the term " cdesign proponentist" outside a Hungarian spell-checker. If only we could find some way to ensure Cameron, Comfort and their drivel would be "Left Behind"...

Excellent work!
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"Half an eye"
written by Mike LeGoff, November 06, 2009
I wonder what Ray thinks of cave fish, whose eyes are still obviously present but no longer function...
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written by cullen, November 06, 2009
Golly, Davis, I'm sure we'd all benefit from knowing why if "evolution is a ridiculous theory that folds like a cheap tent when seriously studied" it remains the currently accepted theory - so much so that there's really no serious scientific competition on the major points. Additionally, it would be useful to know just what observations are incompatible with current evolutionary theory.
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Like Dawkins says ...
written by Bono, November 06, 2009
why he doesn't "debate" creationists:
... don't try to wrestle a pig in a mud puddle. After a while, both of you are dirty, when you realize that the pig actually enjoys it... smilies/wink.gif
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written by Stargazer9915, November 06, 2009
This is not an endorsement for creationism, just a comment on evolution.
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Put down the joint and step away from the keyboard. How many times do you need to be told.
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written by GeekGoddess, November 06, 2009
Fantastic

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written by Alan3354, November 06, 2009
Religion = Superstition + $$$$$

I may have mentioned that before.
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written by Alan3354, November 06, 2009
"Half an eye"
written by Mike LeGoff, November 06, 2009

I wonder what Ray thinks of cave fish, whose eyes are still obviously present but no longer function...

Why do you assume Ray thinks?
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Banana flavored Twinkies
written by Kuroyume, November 06, 2009
Is that Ray in the first or the third image of the article? These two are creationist morons. I was briefly one myself in my youth but then I recovered from the brain injury.

I thought Mark Knopfler was using a cricket bat! (ducks and runs)
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The Missing Female
written by Alencon, November 06, 2009
One of the dumbest things I ever heard was Ray Comfort telling Pat Robertson about evolution's problem of the "missing female."

According to Ray, one day "the first dog" evolves and then needs to find a female to mate with. But since he's the first of his species, of course he can't find any and can't reproduce. Ray calls this problem of the "missing female" and he's quite serious about it. Even Robertson had a WTF look on his face.

As if we didn't have enough home grown wackos, now we importing them from New Zealand.
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written by outsorcerer, November 06, 2009
Nothing we have in creation is half evolved...


Really?? Soo.....what exactly was the purpose of the "creation" of the appendix in the human body? You know, that organ best known for its uselessness, and ability to cause death by infection...

Intelligent design indeed!
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written by outsorcerer, November 06, 2009
Wow, after reading some more of Ray Comfort's "first female" nonsense, I wonder why no one has debunked him using his own religious beliefs...

After Noah's flood, in which I assume he believe--being a biblical literalist and all, one has to wonder, where did all the different races of today come from? Obviously there couldn't be any evolution over time, evolution being a big concocted lie and al, sooo....tell us Ray, where'd we all come from?
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written by jay.tarnoff, November 07, 2009
Mr. Sturgeon,

Well done, sir. I laughed my way through the entire article. I think the chances of Bananaman properly reworking Origin of Species is statistically less likely than the proverbial monkey typing the entire work of Shakespeare.

On a different note, I propose that Dr. Eugenie Scott adds "Coffee Aficionado / Escape Artist" to her title.
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written by TDjazz, November 07, 2009
I wonder what Ray thinks of cave fish, whose eyes are still obviously present but no longer function...

In that vein, Ray himself is proof of evolution--his brain is still present, but it no longer functions.
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written by GeekGoddess, November 07, 2009
@oursorcerer


Old news. The appendix hasn't been considered useless in quite some time, but the 'news' is slow to trickle into the popular mind. Here's one link (you can google to get more indepth articles) http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...102334.htm

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written by OldProf, November 07, 2009
There's a lot of good advice in Sun Tzu.
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written by Threebius, November 07, 2009
If they're going to try and discredit the theory of evolution, they could at least have the decency to try and discredit evolution, not their silly straw man theory. Theirs is the equivalent saying that "There's no way the bible could be correct, because Jesus would have died well before he made it to the moon, thus he couldn't have fought off Ghidora."
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written by Kuroyume, November 08, 2009
Nearly all (if not all) attempts to discredit evolution involve straw-man arguments. We have 'irreducible complexity' which is a straw-man that has been shredded. We have 'the missing link' which is a straw-man based upon incorrect ideas about the evolutionary process and fossil records. We have the 'abiogenesis' straw-man because it has nothing to do with evolutionary theory to begin with.

As for the 'perfection of the banana' straw-man argument, the problems of this argument have been made clear by many - even christians!
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written by tctheunbeliever, November 08, 2009
Maybe the new edition ahould have a South Park-style disclaimer on every page--"THIS IS WHAT RAY COMFORT ACTUALLY BELIEVES".

Kirk Cameron--Comfort's Poodle?
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written by Kuroyume, November 08, 2009
The Cameron-Comfort comedy routine will be doing a 50 university show, er campaign, to convince students that they are still correct and give away free stuff like 50,000 copies (there are reports of 100,000 copies) of a 'special' edition of Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" with a 50-page introduction added by Comfort (dog help us). This will begin on November 19, 2009. As some have requested, if you participate then take the book, remove the preface for more efficacious uses (toilet paper, kindling, whatever), and keep the rest of the book.
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written by Dooyoowoowoo, November 08, 2009
We had a real problem with Crocoducks around our way. Damned things would paddle quietly upstream and get the jump on you. Anyway, we had a program of trapping them and found a ready market in the pate and handbag industry (no, I'd never come across either). The program was very successful and we never see them now. For the same reason we never see Hippogriffs, Girrafocats, Sabre toothed voles, elephantrhinocepussycows or creationists.
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Bananas
written by Matt_D, November 09, 2009
I love when Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort start talking about bananas as an argument for Intelligent Design. Of course bananas are a product of intelligent design - they've been intelligently designed by hundreds or thousands of years of selective breeding by clever farmers.
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@doyouwoowoo
written by tctheunbeliever, November 10, 2009
Don't forget about jackalopes! The southwest is infested with their remains.
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written by Phd.Hyper D, November 10, 2009
Oh and,oh and,oh and,Just an hours conversation would clear the whole conundrum up,and just a tid -bit I have released before is that master geneticists created each eco system and created the intellect source "Dots" that protocol the programs that run every living thing. Every living thing and livable sphere came from our science department,and we work here regulary to adjust a few things,and there are specific reasons no colleges have the system information of how things work.
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written by Gumba Masta, November 11, 2009
It probably does'nt belong here but I'd like to add that Eugenie Scott is one Sexy Science Woman. Which, after careful elaboration of course, you can't say about Ray Comfort.
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written by Old Coyote, November 12, 2009
Howard Stern, of all people, had some very choice words for Ray's "partner" Kirk Cameron yesterday (Nov 11).

The choice words culminated with "f*%$ing idiot" to describe Cameron. Once in a while we get a pop-culture person on the right side of things.
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Half an eye?
written by Blizno, November 12, 2009
There are masses of animals with 1/100th of an eye. They can see changes in light, can discern the direction of the changes and can flee, but they can't detect the shape of the threat.
There are oceans of critters with 1/10,000th of an eye. Their tiny patches of photo-sensitive nerves can detect whether light is present or not. Some such critters evolved to flee bright conditions while some other critters evolved to head toward the light.
Earth's critters have already evolved every human-imaginable configuration of light-sensing organs. Endless numbers of plans have been attempted already. Only those that worked still survive.

The Creationist fantasy of invoking the eyeball as proof of YHWH is one of their worst blunders ever.
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written by Sean, November 13, 2009
Beamstalk: All the better reason to mock him
Davis: ‘Evolution is Lie!’. You’re much funnier than I am.
EvilBiscuit: Thank you.
Mike LeGoff: Ray thinks they are tasty and that’s why god made them.
Cullen: Don’t confuse Davis with facts…
Bono: Debate, no. Make fun of? Yes!
Stargazer9915: …lest he burn himself
GeekGoddess: Thank you.
Alan3354: A good point in need of repeating – both of them
Kuroyume: Let’s all be careful, here.
Alencon: You export them too.
Outsorcerer: You are giving Ray too much credit for completing his thoughts.
jay.tarnoff: Very kind, thank you.
TDjazz: at least we know his nervous system works
OldProf: I’ll take your word for it. smilies/tongue.gif
Threebius: But straw men are so much easier!
Tctheunbeliever: the disclaimer should obscure the text.
Dooyoowoowoo: your town sounds messed up
Matt_D: they never get that part, it’s too ungodly
Phd.Hyper D: You use words and sentence but still make very little sense. Hello in there!
Gumba Masta: All humans love her.
Old Coyote: what’s that saying about stopped clocks?
Blizno: Your facts make Ray sad. Excellent…
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disComfort at school
written by honkyoku, November 18, 2009
I am a lecturer at a large university in southern California. This morning, I came across people passing out hundreds of "free books" to students. They were moving them out of trucks and wheeling them to points all across the campus for distribution. The books were being handed out at an incredible rate to hordes of students moving between classes. From every direction I heard cries of "come and get your free book!" To my amazement, I found they were passing out a "150th Anniversary Edition" of Darwin. Who would be funding such a thing? A generous publishing house? But then I noticed the words "Special introduction by Ray Comfort." I must confess that I only skimmed the inane 50 page rant that is Comfort's "introduction" as I walked quickly to my office to call the university police and have the distributors of the book removed. To my satisfaction, they were gone within 30 minutes. I had not heard of Comfort before and although his ideas are ridiculous and could handily be dismissed (I sincerely hope) by most students, I find little comfort in the obvious fact that efforts to distribute his publication are both well funded and well organized. It also makes me cringe to think that a person's research or theory could be published posthumously in such a grotesque way after it has passed into the public domain. At the end of the introduction is a small note that basically accuses atheists of wanting to censor Comfort's introduction. I'm sure that the distributors of the book would interpret my actions this morning as "anti-free speech" or an effort to "hide certain ideas from students." In fact, I would say that they are most welcome to distribute Comfort's teachings far and wide but presenting them as an introduction to Darwin is intentionally deceitful. Seriously, Comfort, write your own d**n book! Many viable interpretations/interpretors of the bible do not find its content at odds with Darwin. But I'm certain Comfort and his followers would rush to censor any publication of a bible published with an introduction by Darwin!
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Here's a Thought
written by Blizno, November 18, 2009
honkyoku, here's a thought. How about if somebody published the Bible (it must be public domain by now) with a long introduction explaining why this and that section contradicts others or is logically impossible? How about if the introduction links readers to the unthinkably horrific sections of the Bible that tell of a monster-god raining floods and plagues upon innocent people including sinless babies? Of the monster-god ordering Believers to stone to death children for talking back to their parents, to murder all of the males and non-virgin females of conquered tribes and rape at will all of their virgin females, etc.?
Such an introduction could be written to be 100% truthful, according to the Bible.

If printed in large quantities, such modified Bibles could be put in hotel rooms free of charge for guests to peruse and could be handed out to people on the street.
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Great article
written by Na, November 25, 2009
I'm new here but just wanted to say that Sean's writing is very good - entertaining, paced well, witty and intelligent (no pun intended). It's a nice change of pace from the more (but no less well-written or interesting) seriously written articles.
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written by Balstrome, December 03, 2009
This really says it all.
Lets just randomly remove 4 chapters from the bible, including the introduction (Genesis)
I remove Matthew, Mark, Luke & John.
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