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On The Instant, Painless Healing of Burns PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Brandon K. Thorp   
   

Check out this video, from FireBurnDoctor.com:

 

Note that the FireBurnDoctor folks neglect to explain how they’ll heal your burns from the other side of the state/country/globe/whatever. Initially, I figured it’s because they hadn’t bothered to come up with an explanation. Not so. More likely, they’re aware that the average YouTuber, while being somewhat susceptible to New Age babble, doesn’t have anything like the tolerance required to take seriously the theories propounded by FireBurnDoctor’s comely spokesnut, Alison McDermott.

In this interview with the New Age, online-only “Co-Creator Radio Network” (“Join us as we Co-Create the New Reality, NOW!”), McDermott explains that FireBurnDoctor is a “global experiment, a global test, in using a remote technology […] actually based on an ancient science.” She goes on to explain that the founder of FireBurnDoctor is “from an ancient lineage that dates back thousands of years,” which naturally enables him to use this technology with far greater felicity than those of us whose ancestors popped into being mere centuries ago. She explains that FireBurnDoctor uses a burn victim’s name, age, and location to “locate that person in the sea of consciousness” and override the “self-destruct” signal emitted by his or her brain when a burn occurs, thereby activating the body’s power to heal itself.

Our own Jeff Wagg tried to track down McDermott for an interview via Twitter, but she was uninterested. She decided instead to write directly to James Randi. Their correspondence was brief and not terribly fruitful; she said Randi was a fool and a liar and that the JREF would never test her claim because the prize money doesn't exist (but it does, Alison, it does); Randi issued a strongly-worded suggestion that she apply for the challenge and find out.

So far, no application.

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Everytime...
written by TF, December 29, 2009
...I see videos like this one I really wish the "Flag" option on YouTube would cover "woo woo".
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written by William1965, December 29, 2009
What bothers me is how credible sounding these "interviews" are. People see it and think it is from a respectable news source. It's only an infomercial for the Internet. The "HealthNews6" site for the acai berry is just as deceptive--if not moreso.

William
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written by incredulous, December 29, 2009
Barring something extremely unlikely, this is just despicable.
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written by diablo, December 29, 2009
I wish there was some way to show the JREF having the money other than a PDF. People just immediately dismiss that as being faked. Maybe a picture of Randi "rollin in the benjamins" or something.
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written by zZz, December 29, 2009
I guess I've never really understood the concept fire and burning then. Sweet, now I'm definitely gonna set myself on fire and be the most spectacular fireworks this new year's eve!

Checklist:
Lighter
Flammable fluids
Mobile phone
Note name (I've included my aliases, just to be sure)
Note age
Got myself located
FireBurnDoctor on speed-dial

This sure is gonna be a blast! smilies/cool.gif
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Treatment of Burns
written by Smiledriver, December 29, 2009
Let me get this straight: You are supposed to call this clown and send a pic moments after your child is burned. What kind of cretin does that? Doessn't interfere with medical treatment my magnificent ass.
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Well...
written by TF, December 29, 2009
I think anyone who is saying "I won't take the challenge 'cause the money isn't there" is debunking himself/herself anyway, because those persons show they are only "in it for the money" and thus not very, uhm, spiritual, for being "free of financial thoughts" is always seen as some sort of quality by woo woos everywhere.
This video still is worse than a lot of things I have seen, because it plays with hopes of people who have been burnt badly while others "just" promote life style products which just don't work.
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written by Rustylizard, December 29, 2009
Even more exciting – go to the fire doctor web site and you discover that these folks are “proving, for the first time, the existence of a higher power by scientific tests.” They don’t think small.

There is also a web page that deals with training inquiries. To be considered for training, you must show commitment - spread the word, get people to call in, and help generate press. That will “demonstrate your altruistic intentions and, as such, is a qualifying step” (to be considered for training). It probably won’t hurt if you offer up a credit card number to be used a burnt sacrifice, either. I don’t think Randi (or many of us) need apply though, even if our lineage traces as far back as a prokaryotic cell. Shucks!
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Of Course
written by EKendra, December 29, 2009
Of course it won't interfere with normal medical treatment, but they will take all the credit after medical treatment. I swear its not the morphin that took the pain away it was the burn doctor.
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written by daveg703, December 29, 2009
This certainly is an interesting approach to what I suspect is a pre-scam operation of some sort, in which they plan to use the database of callers to generate income for their group.

One has to wonder how the knowledge of this alleged "technology...based on ancient science" - that pre-dates even the ice-age - was recorded, preserved and passed down through that ancient lineage until the creation of written language, making it all quite clear. Still, there may have been no way to locate the burn victim and implement this miraculous remote cure until current science created GPS devices- or at least the postal zip codes.
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ancient lineage
written by ClareZ, December 29, 2009
Guess what. My lineage is ancient too. As is everyone's alive today. Unless you were dropped down from space and...nevermind, we will save that for another forum. :>

It would be interesting to have someone undercover in the call centers, but they are probably lied to also.

It looks like a great way of collecting identities. It would be interesting to test, should a burn happen, but I do not want to provide them with my info. Notice on the radio interview she said they got feedback when the call center person called back to confirm that this was their real name. This does not pass the sniff test.

If they are doing this for free, then there has to be a payday somewhere down the line. And if not - why not collect the million dollar challenge?
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Not that they'll approve it...
written by DZiemke, December 29, 2009
...but I posted a Response Video to this baloney since they wisely disabled the Text comments function. It's a simple text clip asking them to prove what they claim and $1M is theirs (including a link to Randi's PDF file). But since they have to approve the responses, I don't have much hope.
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These new age thieves and liars need a new playbook
written by Xiphos, December 29, 2009
Every time they get cornered the freaks, liars, thieves and nut case psychos always go back to the money doesn't exist card. For a bunch of losers with good imaginations they sure can't come up with a better dodge.
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written by swordsbane, December 29, 2009
I find it extremely unlikely that they won't ask for money at some point. Even if by some miracle they were legit, they have to keep the lights on somehow.

I also noticed that the testimonials didn't include before and after pictures or even a look at the supposedly healed burns. I somehow doubt they will have signatures of doctors who witnessed the burns before they were healed so that prospective "clients" can have a look at them either.

But maybe I'm just being silly.
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written by One Skunk Todd, December 29, 2009
Comely? Really? Takes all types I guess.

I think ClareZ is right. It seems like a great way to collect identity fraud information. You know the kid is injured, you've got his name, birthdate and place, now just wait for him to die and you're good to go.
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written by Skeptigirl, December 29, 2009
While this isn't relevant to the Swift entry, it is relevant to the topic. If you have a small burn (second degree or less), keep ice on it until the pain is completely gone. If you do so, you will have no pain other than the discomfort and annoyance of keeping ice on an injury for hours. You'll end up with a callous instead of a blister if the burn was second degree.

I have tried this now several times and it has not failed. In the past with similar burns one typically takes the ice off after only a short time and is left with a painful burn for hours or days.

I now return you to your regular programing. ...
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written by hamradioguy, December 29, 2009
There are two million firefighters in the U.S. alone. We put our lives on the line to rescue people from burning buildings every day. This video is an insult to every one of us. And I'm not particularly happy that they use photos of firefighters to peddle their nonsense.

Since "Joe Lowe, Fire Chief" is quoted as saying, "I KNOW it works." perhaps Chief Lowe would like to back up his statement by applying for the million dollar JREF Challenge. How about it, Chief Lowe?
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written by Kajabla61, December 29, 2009
My suspicion is that these quacks and cranks start getting donations very quickly, probably from people who have minor incidents that don't really need medical attention and then credit the 'healing' to the quacks and their supposed powers. Along with those donations come those oh-so-valuable testimonials. Actually, maybe it is only the testimonials that they are first interested in?

Clearly they are in it for the long term money it can make them if the useless idea becomes a fad or meme that catches on with the ignorant masses. Ignoring the JREF money only makes sense when you KNOW you are running a scam that could pay off bigger in the long run.
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written by Steel Rat, December 29, 2009
Doessn't interfere with medical treatment my magnificent ass.


What evidence is there that your ass is truly magnificent?
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Is Joe Lowe, Fire Chief even real?
written by Kajabla61, December 29, 2009
I have heard of many instances where testimonials are simply scripts read by actors and entirely fake. Could some of these be the same thing?

I have looked at dozens of images of fire chiefs, a couple even had the same name, but none look like the guy in the video. There is a fire chief author of several books on firefighting by the name of Joseph D. Lowe as well but my brief search did not turn up any pics of him.

With a fire chief being in a public office I would think he could be rather easily found. Just more suspicion at this time...
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WTF
written by Chris Jackson, December 29, 2009
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that woo artists are missing whatever gene that leads to the ability to feel shame.
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the JREF burns brightly this XMAS..., Lowly rated comment [Show]
Easy test!
written by Holmstrom, December 29, 2009
Alison as the comely blonde. The good Doctor Joseph at her side. Give both people's names, birthdates, places of birth and photos of both. Douse one, (or both,) with ten gallons of gasoline, ignite ... and in a couple of minutes, they have won the Million Dollar Challenge to use in their efforts to "cure" burn injuries worldwide.
What could be more simple?
Got a match, Alison?
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ICE directly on a burn
written by Holmstrom, December 29, 2009
Skeptigirl!
NEVER put ice directly onto a burn! You will only take the chance of destroying more tissue at or around the wound. A cold compress and a trip to the doc is what is recommended. NO ICE on a burn! EVER! (Also, no other wive's tales of butter.) Please do your homework before giving first aid advice. Otherwise, Skeptigirl, I love you.
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written by OPa, December 29, 2009
My first thought is definitely a identity theft scam. Bet it works, too.
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written by TDjazz, December 30, 2009
Another shameful scam from shameless con artists, albeit the scam isn't apparent. Remuneration isn't mentioned anywhere (it's "free," as stated on their site), but no organization survives without money. I think law enforcement needs to take a look at this organization.
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written by TDjazz, December 30, 2009
I should have said "payment for the scam isn't apparent." The scam itself is quite apparent,
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written by MadScientist, December 30, 2009
That's disgusting; as if burn victims don't suffer enough. With any luck the proponents would need their own cure.
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written by swordsbane, December 30, 2009
I have entirely too many scruples to get rich this way, but I've always thought that I would never have to worry about money again if I just started my own religion.

The really sad thing is that I could create a fake religion promising eternal hellfire on all scam artists and probably get away with it. The capacity for human beings to deceive themselves never ceases to amaze me.
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What's the law say?
written by Alencon, December 30, 2009
Isn't there something illegal about these claims? Where's the FDA when you need them?
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written by Steel Rat, December 30, 2009
I find that Aloe Vera gel works extremely well...
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written by Blaine Sternin, December 30, 2009
I would not give out any personal information just to anyone in the first place. I am suspicious to why they need that information.
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Doing something
written by Mark, December 31, 2009
This sickens me. If we have anyone on this forum with information, could they share it please? They appear to be making medical claims that are pure bull, and is there honestly no agency that we can complain to?
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written by markbellis, January 02, 2010
@Kajabla61
this photo looks like him:
http://www.state.sd.us/doa/ag policy/IC_Joe_Lowe_at_work.JPG
think this is him:
http://www.gpifc.org/

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Psychic Breakthru Cures Burns! Without a Real Doctor! Amazing...B.S.
written by houdin654jeff, January 02, 2010
Holy crap... I can't believe this amazing new medical science exists! It must surely be in all the journals as of late and... oh.. oh it's not? Well it must be so new that it... what? It's an ancient secret and we've just missed it until now? Huh... well I'm sure they aren't asking for personal information like scam artists... oh they are? OHhhh, I get it now.

How low must you be as a human being to try to mislead people about treating a wound they've receieved? Against my better judgement, I checked out their website. It's kinda crummy. However, that video they show isn't the only one, no. They also have one of the pictured mechanic TELLING you that it works... REALLY! He stands in a room and explains what happened and then TELLS you precisely(sic) what happened to his burnt hand in just 6 hours! Compelling evidence. I'm sure the scientific community must be freaking out about anecdotal experiences from one dude.

I also like that the YouTube clip is rated at 2 stars and has it's comments section disabled. No video I've EVER seen on YouTube has a 2 star rating. Occasionaly I see a 3, a majority are at 4 or higher, but never a 2. And if it works SO WELL, according to mechanic dude, what do they have to fear from the internet flame wars that start about the latest comic book movie trailers? Common sense is almost not needed to see through this, it's so obvious. Oh well, there's one born every minute I guess...
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Thanks Markbellis
written by Kajabla61, January 02, 2010
At least we know that they did not fake the testimonial from Mr. Joe Lowe as a fire official.

It is still sad and disgusting however that he has given his testimonial using his credentials rather than as a private citizen as he should have.

Then again, he should have looked into these crazy claims a bit deeper before making any statement. Unfortunately many people fall for these scams and Joe is just now another shill.
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written by politas, January 02, 2010
I particularly like how their testimonials don't match their claims. They claim to heal "instantly", yet that guy talking about how he'd grabbed hot metal said his wounds healed "in record time". That doesn't quite sound like "instantly" to me. And hey, medicine is getting really good at healing burns these days. People are regularly healing "in record time", because new treatments that work better and promote faster healing keep being discovered. It is a major field where there is a lot of effective work being done.
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written by swordsbane, January 02, 2010
They use phrases like "healing instantly" or "in record time" to avoid being pinned down with something as petty as numbers or research data. You don't need scientific data when you have happy people telling you how great something is.
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It CAN be flagged on Youtube
written by PlasticRectangle, January 02, 2010
Under 'select a reason' choose 'harmful dangerous acts' and then the option 'abuse of fire or explosives'
I don't know their process for evaluating, so no idea if it will be effective....
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written by florinosci, January 03, 2010
I just came across this blog. I'm bookmarking it. Thanks for the stimulating conversation.
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written by DrMatt, January 03, 2010
Magic healing methods never heal loss of limb.
Scientific surgery is just barely getting there (http://www.google.com/search?q=limb+transplant), but magic hasn't a chance.
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written by hamradioguy, January 03, 2010
I sent an e-mail to the folks at FireBurnDoctor saying a local Fire Chief here wanted to discuss this rather amazing claim with Chief Joe Lowe. They promised to forward my inquiry to him for a response...which hasn't happened yet. But apparently he's legit- He's the Wildland Fire Coordinator for the South Dakota Department of Agriculture. Maybe one of our firefighters will see fit to call him at his office and see if he wants to apply for the JREF Paranormal Challenge .
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written by RickCoplin, June 14, 2010
I personally spent over 2 hours today in a one-on-one with Ms. McDermott. IMO, the fireburndoctor is a link to find succeptable minds that can be further manipulated with the "power" of the martix man, Phillip Sauvage. Check out their web site.http://fireburndoctor.com/burn_case_reports and you will find finger tip and tongue and other very minor burns reported. Note the names have been changed to..... protect the innocent, or to hide this sham.

As for Allison, she is articulate and unintimidated. She does, however, turn every question to a statement that is designed to produce fear, guilt, and shame in the mind of the recipient. Mr. Savauge, apparently needs the committment of his guests before he will "reset their brain" to its previous state. The commitment involves money, and lots of it. A rich person will pay more than one of meager means. If you have been or think you may have been molested as a child, you get a break, because Phillip has a soft spot for you. Coincidently, the person who I was representing just happened to fit that category.

There is so much to tell and so little time, and come to think of it, that is what Allison said. My friend had an appointment, especially set with Phillip and need to be in Switzerland in a few days or the "time will have passed". The person has coincidently, had several time deferrals so far. Since the world will end in a few years it is critical that we send this person now.

To me this is typical hype and fear mongering. People who are in unhealthy lifestyles or relationships are fair game for the matrix man and his crew. You get no information about what it is, how it works, or what happens if the person decides differently after being reset (healed).

I think I may have a new calling, chasing down and exposing this creep and his gang. I hope someone out there hits me back on this as I would like to persue it to the point of ending the suffering and waste of money caused by these thieves.

Allison McDermott, come on here an dialoge with me. Phillip Sauvage ditto, and the same for any of your crew.
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Joe Lowe Fire Chief
written by RickCoplin, June 14, 2010
Joe Lowe fire Chief,

A simple Google search leads to this promising lead... http://zh-cn.facebook.com/post...comments=1
Igt is a dead end.

Another:http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/top-stories/article_2fa6f3e8-0f34-5a7e-9635-86cf4e765678.html mentiones nothing about fireburndoctor in all of its archives.

Another BING query for Joe Lowe Fire Chief leads to: http://www.facebook.com/pages/...50?v=box_3
This site mentiones Chris Forlani, one of the matrix man's testimonial cash cows. Chris supposedly was healed of everything but the kitchen sink.

I do not believe that the Joe Lowe on the fireburndoctor site IS the guy from South Dakota. This link, and this guy cannot be substantiated by any reasonable search, IMO. Bogus, fraud, scam....
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