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Scientific Verifications of a Message From Another Continuum. (Harriet Hall Is Not Impressed.) PDF Print E-mail
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Written by Harriet Hall, MD (The SkepDoc)   
Thursday, 22 April 2010 15:03

A correspondent recently wrote to tell me that the TV series "Lost" isn't as unrealistic as we might have thought. He says the subplot about the coincidences and "meanings" of the lottery numbers reflects something that has happened in reality.

He explained that "a series of numbers drawn in the NY lottery game, has been verified as a 'message' from another continuum, by senior researchers at Princeton University. This is a first scientific verification of that dimension of reality...."

When I asked for his evidence, he sent me this link to a webspawner page that references a story from the Bronx Times Reporter of July 8, 1993.

It amounts to an entertaining but not entirely coherent fairy tale. Apparently someone converted a bunch of images from a dream into symbols, then used analogies and the principles of numerology to convert those symbols into numbers, then found that a winning lottery ticket matched the numbers. Then there's something about predicting a supernova, with references to Carl Sagan and Jung's speculations about synchronicity.

The "senior researchers at Princeton University" turned out to be one laboratory manager at Princeton's School of Applied Science, who wrote a short paragraph acknowledging the coincidence and citing Pythagoras, but which said nothing about messages or other continuums.

What would another continuum be, exactly? Is there an alternative to the space-time continuum? And how could a message be communicated from there into our space-time continuum? And why?

My correspondent also cited Nostradamus and the concept of "acausal reality." He quoted physicist W. Pauli as saying "In quantum physics, natural numbers are considered to be the ultimate structural element of being." What does that even mean? Do the quantum physics textbooks say that? And how would that tie in with numerology?

If this is his idea of "scientific verification" he would have no trouble "scientifically verifying" Santa, the Tooth Fairy, and homeopathy.

I am not impressed.

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The "q" Word
written by Blizno, April 22, 2010
If somebody mentions the word "quantum" they're almost certain to have no idea what it means. The number of times I've read somebody writing about quantum physics correctly are overwhelmingly outnumbered by the times I've read it used to "prove" all kinds of magic.
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written by Smiledriver, April 22, 2010
What is it, if you think you understand quantum theory you do not understand quantum theory.

Usually, when I hear the q word I brace myself for the downpour of hyperbole and jibberish that usually follows
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written by MattC, April 22, 2010
Perhaps the ultimate refutation to this is the simple reality that the person who did all of this 'work' didn't actually have the winning lottery ticket. He seems to have concluded, essentially, that someone won the lottery. Judging by lack of relative exposure, he was unable to replicate the success.
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written by markbellis, April 22, 2010
Nothing this incoherent would have appeared in a newspaper, even a community weekly.
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written by MadScientist, April 22, 2010
This is an example of post-hoc fitting of facts to a story. Unfortunately even some of my ex-colleagues, supposed scientists, engage in the same behavior. In the case of my ex-colleagues their lies will immediately be exposed by anyone who demands proof of the claims via a blinded experiment.
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written by stuart, April 23, 2010
I re-read the rambling article three times and still couldn't make sense of it
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written by jsowers, April 23, 2010
The 'lab manager' Brenda Dunne was the head of PEAR back in '93. As I recall this was a group that thought they could change a pendulum swing with their thoughts. So Dunne going along with this is hardly a suprise.
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written by Sadhatter, April 23, 2010
The trend of people claiming reality is like television or movies is creepin me right out. As a writer i can say that if i see something interesting that a lot of people probably havn't seen ( newspaper article, not like ripping off a good short story) You can believe its getting put into what i am writing. The simple answer is that the writers saw the article.

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written by mdtalley, April 23, 2010
Agreed, hucksters use the word, "quantum" the way they used to use the word, "occult".

You don't even need to ask a scientist about such phenomena. Any accountant can tell you that mysterious number patterns form naturally, and will only arouse suspicion when they don't occur. Ever had your checking account balance be $1234.56? Random chance makes these things happen.
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written by Baloney, April 23, 2010
Yesterday, my number at Panera Bread was 666 -- I'm not kidding! --, and I'll be damned if everyday I don't experience 12:34 at least twice! (...at most, too!) So, obviously extra-dimensional beings have a plan for me.
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written by Baloney, April 23, 2010
Oh, I forgot to mention that this is all because of a quantum shift in an alternate, acausal reality intersecting with our space-time continuum.
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Understanding quantum physics
written by Zoroaster, April 23, 2010
...is something I don't claim to come close to doing. This makes it difficult to see, sometimes, where the science and woo part company. Obviously, I don't think lottery numbers are being transmitted from alternate realities but should I reject all of the mathematical models of so-called "string theory" because they posit 9-12 dimensions? What about the Many-Worlds Interpretation?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...rpretation
As a skeptic, I tend to rely on common sense when I lack direct knowledge but common sense fails me when I have to come to terms with ideas like light is both a wave and a particle. While common sense tells me time travel is impossible, some physicists seem to make a good case that it is. I'm not saying we should give any credence to the article, just that it's easy to see how people can get carried away. Books like A Brief History of Time and The Tao of Physics make science interesting to us laypeople but perhaps they oversimplify - or overmystify their subject.
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written by Snixtor, April 23, 2010
Goodness me, what are the odds? Pretty good actually. Dream up any set of numbers and you can probably find some significance to them. Matching lotto numbers, GPS co-ords of a significant location, the date of a significant event, exact dimensions of a significant object, you name it.
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written by sfdyoung, April 24, 2010
"Converting the dream symbols into number, they appear as: 4-6-32-15-31-27."

I must be ignorant, since I don't see how female teacher-astronomy-field-romping bears-duck translates to 4-6-32-15-31-27.

"There are seven messages in these numbers; one need not be a genius to figure them out."

Arrghh!! Further proof I'm not a genius...



"Perhaps one of you will understand this message:...7-16-18-21-26...1080..."

Sadly, I'm not "the one."
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**** Why Not Follow the Guidelines ****
written by entelekk, April 27, 2010
The heading from the old csicop page....

CSICOP encourages the critical investigation
of paranormal and fringe-science claims from
a responsible, scientific point of view and
disseminates factual information about the
results of such inquiries to the scientific
community and the public.

*Does not reject claims on a priori grounds,
antecedent to inquiry, but
examines them objectively and carefully....

The observations of Jung and Pauli regarding
the natural numbers....

Since the remotest times men have used number to establish meaningful coincidences, that is, coincidences that can be interpreted.

There is something peculiar, one might even say mysterious about numbers. They have never been entirely robbed of their numinous aura. If, so a textbook of mathematics tell us, a group of objects is deprived of every single one of its properties or characteristics, there still remains, at the end, its number, which seems to indicate that number is something irreducible.

The sequence of natural numbers turns out to be unexpectedly more than a mere stringing together of identical units; it contains the whole of mathematics and everything yet to be discovered in this field.

Number, therefore, is in one sense an unpredictable entity.

It is generally believed that numbers were invented, or thought out by man, and are therefore nothing but concepts of quantities containing nothing that was not previously put into them by the human intellect. But it is equally possible that numbers were found or discovered.. In that case they are not only concepts but something more-autonomous entities which somehow contain more than just quantities.

Unlike concepts, they are based not on any conditions - but on the quality of being themselves, on a "so-ness" that cannot be expressed by an intellectual concept.

Under these conditions they might easily be endowed with qualities that have still to be discovered. I must confess that I incline to the view that numbers were as much found as invented, and that in consequence they possess a relative autonomy analogous to that of the archetypes.

They would then have in common with the latter, the quality of being pre-existent to consciousness, and hence, on occasion, of conditioning it, rather than being conditioned by it.

The concept of natural numbers rests on an archetypal foundation. It represents a preconscious pattern of thought common to all human psyches, and therefore constitutes the basis for transmitting knowledge to a greater degree than mythological images." ....Carl Jung....

"our primary mathematical intuitions can be arranged
before we become conscious of them." Pauli....

Chaldean numerology:
http://www.crystalinks.com/numerology.html

"such is the nature of reality, that anyone can
experience that which is least understood." TDL






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written by pxatkins, April 29, 2010
It is generally believed that numbers were invented, or thought out by man,


By whom? We knew how many berries were on a bush even before we were humans.
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written by Blizno, April 29, 2010
"By whom? We knew how many berries were on a bush even before we were humans."

Agreed. Chimpanzees and even ravens have been observed to understand numbers, at least up to five or six of something.

The human brain is brilliant at finding patterns, whether they exist or not. I'm not impressed by numerology, Bible-codes, etc. It's not hard to find apparent matches to significant events after the fact. If somebody analyses the Bible and predicts things that have not yet happened, and does so more than once, then I'll be impressed.
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